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CCITT group 4

Hallo Ralph Theo Misch,
nun, die Übersetzung hab ich vor mehr als 2 Jahren gemacht, da hat sich inzwischen einiges geändert, nicht nur was den Seiteninhalt betrifft, sondern wahrscheinlich auch bezgl. des erwähnten Tools Imagemagick. Ich selbst hab das noch nie ausprobiert, benutze Adobe Photoshop.
Momentan hab ich leider nicht mehr so viel Zeit, die ganzen deutschen Seiten hier auf den neuesten Stand zu bringen geschweige denn das Programm auszuprobieren. Von daher ist es natürlich gut, wenn Du Deine Erkenntnisse und Erfahrungen damit auf der Seite IMSLP_talk:Musiknoten_beisteuern mitteilen könntest. Ich denke, man könnte auch die übersetzten Kommentare von Feldmahler löschen und einfach was zum Tool selbst hinschreiben. In der englischen Version ist es mittlerweile auch draußen, da gibt es eine extra Seite für sowas: Optimizing_PDF_Compression. Ich überlasse das Dir :), wie schon gesagt, hab ich momentan leider nicht die Zeit dazu. Gruß, Hobbypianist 16:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Your user page

I added Babel and Instrument boxes - feel free to modify.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 23:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

das IMSLP

Hallo,

da sind wir uns einig: dieses Projekt ist ganz toll!

viele Grüße

--Metzner 05:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

new message on my page

--Homerdundas 23:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

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Good day Mr. Ralph, I am very sorry to bother you. I am a flutist and I would like to ask you, if you might have the Trio sonata wq. 144 H 568 in G major for flute, violin e basso continuo. One of my friends order it and we are waiting for 2 months now and they didn't even ship it. She has an exam and we would like to start practicing. Thank you very much! Sincerely, Ana

Gesamt-pdf

Bester Ralph Theo, angesichts Deines verdienstvollen scans der Jensen-Lieder: ich fände es sehr praktisch, wenn es neben den Einzelliedern auch ein Gesamt-pdf gäbe. Dies nur als Anregung. Vielen Dank von Deinem --Konrad Stein 08:42, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Lieber Konrad, vielen Dank für deine Rückmeldung! Habe gerade das letzte Lied und die Anzeigen-Seiten am Ende des Bandes ("ad pages" - wie es knapp und präzis auf Englisch heißt) hochgeladen. Nun versuche ich, via PDF SPLIT AND MERGE die Pdf-Dateien zusammenzufassen. Hoffentlich geht das verlustfrei vonstatten, denn die Tif-Formate löschte ich bereits aus Platzgründen. Herzliche Grüße von Christoph.--Ralph Theo Misch 22:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Es scheint geklappt zu haben! Bitte sage mir doch, ob das Ergebnis schlechter ist als die einzelnen Dateien. Viele Grüße --Ralph Theo Misch 22:43, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Bester Ralph Theo, entschuldige die späte Meldung (bin momentan nur sehr sporadisch in unserer virtuellen Noten-Bibliothek). Ich finde das Ergebnis hervorragend. Und freue mich auf Deine künftigen Uploads. Nebenbei gefragt: Ist Dir als Chordirigenten schon mal von Hermann Goetz die "Nenie op.10" (chor+orch, bzw pi-Auszug) untergekommen? Und den Harmonium-Spezialisten befragt: Weißt Du etwas über Janaceks Urfassung der "Verwachsenen Pfade" und die Abweichungen zur Klavierfassung? Das nur ganz ins Ungefähre gefragt. Ah, und die "Inneren Stimmen", gibt es da Hoffnung auf Vollständigkeit? (Warum die Stücke nicht PD in Europa sein sollen, erschließt sich mir nicht – die "Revisionen" von Kienzl werden doch kaum Schöpfungshöhe beanspruchen können). Viele Grüße von Deinem --Konrad Stein 19:10, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Grüß dich, Konrad, freut mich, dass die Zusammenführung funktioniert hat - danke für deine Antwort! Was Goetz und Janacek angeht: Muss zu meiner Schande gestehen, dass ich bis Dato nie davon hörte. Auch in meinen einschlägigen Quellen (z.B. ZVAB.com) fand ich das Gesuchte nicht, bzw. nur Bearbeitungen. "Innere Stimmen" hatte ich allerdings bestellt, aber nichts mehr vom Händler gehört - werde mal nachhaken. Was dich hingegen interessieren könnte, ist mein Band mit Ouvertüren zu vier Händen von Mendelssohn. Wegen des Umfangs meiner historischen "Bibliothek" schaffe ich es bloß nicht, alles allein einzuscannen und hochzuladen. Deshalb gebe ich die Sachen teilweise schon an Andere weiter. So würde ich dir die Noten zum Einscannen auch zuschicken. Bei der Gelegenheit hätte ich da noch eine Frage: Vor einiger Zeit hatte ich Dvorak's "Tempo di Valse" (Serenade für Streicher, Op.22) in meiner Bearbeitung für Harmonium und Klavier beigetragen. Jemand hat die Qualität mit 5 bewertet. Dem stehe ich recht hilflos gegenüber, ist doch die Partitur kein Scan, sondern eine Pdf-Datei meines Notensatzprogramms. Und da nun nicht die musikalische, sondern allein das technische Moment bei diesen "ratings" zählt, weiß ich nicht, was bei der Erstellung schief gelaufen sein könnte. Vielen Dank im Voraus, dein Christoph --Ralph Theo Misch 23:16, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Bester Ralph Theo, Entschuldige die späte Antwort. Was dem Bewerter Deines Neusatzes von Dvorak op.22 aufgestoßen sein mag, entzieht sich meiner Nachvollziehbarkeit. Ich finde ihn äußerst sauber und wohlleserlich und habe daher ein weiteres Rating dagegen gesetzt. Die Mendelssohn-Ouvertüren sind recht wohl bekannt, damit eilt es nicht, ich bin aber gespannt, was Du weiteres aus Deiner Bibliothek ans Licht stellen wirst. Viele Grüße von Deinem --Konrad Stein 20:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Google Logos

Sorry to delete a nice public domain draeseke, but we can't allow scores with Google logos, as that could involve a potential trademark suit. Sorry!-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 13:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

You don't have to scan it yourself. If you have an image manipulation program of some sort, you can just remove the logos to make it postable - viz. what Carolus has done at least a hundred times now.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 14:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

August Reinhard

Hallo Christopher,

I'm new on IMSLP and not very good with use of the website. I wanted to thank you for your contribution with the Reinhard's Trio. Have you sonatas and other Trios of this composer ? I have some french harmonium score ; have you interested by them ? I can send paper copy that you'll can give to IMSLP. I can't make pdf... Tell me if you're interested. Best regards, Emmanuel (Letsum)

Hallo Emmanuel, I'm very pleased to hear that you can use that contribution! Unfortunately the material of original compositions by Reinhard is rather rare. I've got a copy of his Sonata No.2 C major for Harmonium and Piano - and that's all. But I know where I will find more stuff: In a monastery ca. 300 km from here (a project for the next vacations...). Some arrangements and transcriptions of this composer for Harmonium - Piano Duet you can find here: List of Compositions Featuring the Harmonium.
Of course I'm interested in your scores - are you not able to scan or have you not the possibility to make pdfs? Making pdfs is quiet easy - I could tell you in a few words. The problem is that paper copies must have a high quality if they shall be suitable for scanning. Atherwise: Old scores often are bigger than Din A4, so I've got a A3 scanner. Feel free to email me: alexandre.debain at gmx.de
All the best --Ralph Theo Misch 20:16, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
P.S.: I could't find your user page - are you from France?

Hervelois

What is your rationale for this being public domain? The editorial contributions (esp. dynamics) look significant enough for this to be Non-PD anywhere, unless it wasn't renewed in the US, and then it still wouldn't be IMSLP-able. Thanks-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 00:05, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Ryba Masses

Hi, Ralph Theo Misch

You have done an enormous contribution that I consider it has helped many musicians, teachers and researchers. My name's Rogelio Alvarez. I'm from Mexico, I'm studying a doctorate in music in the University of Oviedo, in Spain. I'm pianist and chorus conductor. One of my principal interests is the rare music: the music that has not been so explored of the great composers or the composer's music that nowadays are considered to be minors.

I'm looking for the choral works of the czech Jakub Jan Ryba (1765-1815). I've found the most popopular work, the Czech Christmas Mass (Hej, Mistre). This is his major composition, but I'm interested in another works, like the Missa Pastoralis (he wrote several of them). Concretly, I me am refering to the Missa Pastoralis that has been recorded by Naxos and that is in the same CD of the Mass Hej Mistre.

Have you heard about this material? Do you know what is the editorial that publishes this works?

Thanks.

Hi, Rogelio Alvarez
Many thanks for your words of encouragement! Unfortunately I've only found the Czech Christmas Mass, too. But I'm not really sure: Pastor means "Hirte" in German; I've found the "Böhmische Hirten-Messe". That would be "Missa pastoralis". Feel free to email me: christoph.lahme (at) t-online.de. I'll send you my results. I've also tried to find that work in the online libraries of Poland (via europeana.eu). May be, I didn't use the right keywords and that piece is part of a larger collection (Musica sacra...).
Regards from --Ralph Theo Misch 01:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Venus and Adonis Score

thanks for the tip on the score.

BWV Anh. 159 — Ich lasse dich nicht

Hi Christoph,

thanks very much for your upload of this, as the existing scans of the BGA that have gained wide circulation usually substituted a wrong page for page 161. (Some people are of the view that the motet could be the work of the young JSB, so it actually does get more frequent performance than any given work by Johann Christoph Bach – either JSB’s uncle or his cousin!) Regards, Philip Legge @ © talk 06:48, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Deletion

If you want something deleted, another way to go about it is to add the template "Delete" (Usage: {{Delete|REASON}}) to the page. Thanks-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 01:29, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Lieber Herr Lahme!

Ich freue mich,daß sie diese tollen Stücke von Arne gefunden haben. Ich selber bin Countertenor und wollte die eine Arie schon längst einmal machen. Vor ein paar Tagen habe ich bei Google Books einen Teil der Werkausgabe sämtlicher Lieder und Balladen von Carl Loewe gefunden - immerhin 6 Bände. Leider konnte ich aber diese Bände noch nicht bei IMSLP hineinstellen,da ich nicht weiß,wie man die Google-Signatur auf den einzelnen Seiten entfernt. Wie haben sie das gemacht?

Herzliche Grüße Bassani

Sturmbeschwörung

Hi, I unfortunately had to delete your scan of this because I found out that Hans Hinrichs died in 1964 (I had evidence to connect these dates with this publication from another site). Unless it can be determined that he made minimal contributions, I think it's safe to say that your score is PD only in the US. Sorry, KGill talk email 22:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Leopold Mozart

Bester Ralph Theo, ich habe den scan von Leopold Mozarts "Gründlicher Violinschule" erheblich verbessert (schärfere scans bei kleinerer Dateigröße (20MB), Stauchung entfernt, 2 fehlende Registerseiten und Tabelle ergänzt): IA. Bitte lade doch diese Version hoch (ich weiß schlicht nicht, wie es geht). Viele Grüße von Deinem --Konrad Stein 01:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Cello-Bibliothek

I would be glad to scan in your Cello-Bibliothek. Yes please send me a list of what you have. What a pleasure it would be. Generoso 00:47, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

The list looks great. There are some wonderful pieces on there. How would you like to send them to me? Generoso 09:13, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I have sent my address in an email. I am looking forward to these pieces. Thanks. Generoso 13:35, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you (They arrived!) Generoso 11:47, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Grand Duo, Op.18 (Loewe, Carl)

Hi, this looks like a recent typeset by Eigen-Verlag, which only started in the 1990s - so it had to be deleted. Sorry, KGill talk email 15:13, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Beethoven Strqrt

By the way, kennst Du dieses: IA. Dies ist ein schöner Band, wie Eulenburg sie in den 1920-30ern herausgegeben hat. Da habe ich noch etwa 40 Stück von (abgesehen von ein paar auf der Vermisst-auf-ewig-nicht-findbaren-Liste) – falls wir dermaleinst nicht mehr genug zu tun haben. Viele Grüße von Deinem --Konrad Stein 21:28, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Missa Iste Confessor (Palestrina, Giovanni Pierluigi da)

Hi Ralph, is there a valid copyright notice on the Paroissien Romain score (i.e. 'Copyright 1927 etc.' - it has to say 'copyright' or the symbol and a year)? If there is, then it would almost certainly have to be blocked with [TB], but I'm not sure since I can only see a couple isolated pages of it. Thanks, KGill talk email 01:44, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Clara Schumann Romances Op.21

Thank you for the upload of the 3 Romances Op.21 by Clara Schumann! This will make for a very pleasant evening at the piano. Aldona 08:44, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Bortniansky

I somehow doubt that he titled his wok in German originally, though it's not impossible. We should check on this. Carolus 23:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok - I'll wait and check. --Ralph Theo Misch 23:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Scrjabin / Scriabin

Hi, it was decided somewhere (I can't remember where) that it would be better to create the performer category in the form 'Scriabin (performer), Alexander', rather than try a different spelling of his name than that used by the composer category (just to maintain consistency between the two). Don't worry about this one, I'll change it. Thanks, KGill talk email 00:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Question about the comment on printing of the parts for LIber Motettum on Musica Divina Page

I noticed with great interest your comment: Letterpress printing (after Petrucci) applied to the part files for Liber Motettum and numerous other of your scans.

The term Letterpress does refer to printing using raised type which can be assembled, rather than intaglio or block engraving.

Pettrucci's approach to printing was fairly unique (in addition to being the first to print whole pages in moveable type) in that it was a 2-pass process, with the lines being printed first, and a later pass providing the notes, letters and any other glyphs. The chief feature of this process is that the note stems and staff lines are uninterrupted as no breaks are required: each note is a single piece of type, and the staff lines (perpendicular to most other features) are printed separately. We don't know exactly what form or process Petrucci used to align the paper for the two impressions, but it worked very well!

The music in the part files for Liber Motettum is built up from sub-type pieces, with the lines of the staves being chopped both horizontally and vertically, which results in discontinuities in both staff lines and note stems. While this approach obviates the problem of alignment between multiple presses (there is only one) it allows a broken look to the result, which is usually attributed to wear. This is clearly not based on the innovations that Petrucci brought to bear, which is the cause of my question.

Which is, how do you mean "after Petrucci"? Tiorbinist 01:48, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello Tiorbinist, you've caught me! Perhaps I should read those books I contribute to IMSLP...
Well - it will be not easy for me to explain in English. But I'll try: I've noticed that in the course of Cecilian Movement editors and publishers tended to fall back to those printing methods as used by their paragons. So the prototype of Proske's publication is this. In my naivety I thought that it was the same method. After reading your message I looked for those publications printed by Petrucci. Now I see that it's something completely different. My comment 'after Petrucci' may be as useful as 'after Gutenberg' for nearly any kind of book. So I'll remove them. Thanks for your information - learned something new again! Regards from --Ralph Theo Misch 14:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

P.S.: Before I start (about 100 pages): Should I better remove 'Letterpress printing' as well? Is it a useful notice at all?

Hello, RTM! I'd say that the letterpress label is valid and useful, since sooner-or-later, we'll have wood-block book scans added, and currently, we already have mss. and intaglio/engraved examples. It'd be nice if people would add those labels to their uploads as appropriate, rather than you removing the letterpress info.

BTW, while you're changing this, could you go ahead and link the individual pieces to the main Musica Divina page? Thanks-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 17:14, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Persinger

Hi there. I read your query on my talk page and would like to help if I can. However, I'm not quite sure what exactly you are asking; my apologies. Are you trying to obtain a copy of the score? Or researching Persinger?

OK, so I added the Persinger arrangement to the wishlist for Dvorak ([[1]]). I don't have a copy available to me locally, but I'm sure someone in the IMSLP community does! Best of luck.

Actually, Persinger died in 1966, making this arrangement under copyright everywhere except the US. Sorry, KGill talk email 01:34, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Museo internazionale e biblioteca della musica di Bologna

Ich wollte gerade mal wieder ein wenig aus Bologna runterladen, konvertieren und hier hochladen. Dabei habe ich mit entsetzen feststellen müssen, daß dort jetzt alle Bilder mit einem Wasserzeichen der Bibliothek, inklusive Logo versehen sind. Das sieht jetzt fast so aus, als wäre damit die ganze Quelle nicht länger benutzbar, da das Wasserzeichen sicherlich rechtich geschützt ist :-( --BoccaccioTalk Email 09:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Nicht unbedingt - die Sachen, die Ivdruiz aus dem Brahms-Archiv abgefischt hat, sind ebenfalls mit einem Wasserzeichen stigmatisiert. --Ralph Theo Misch 09:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Dies hier könnte auch für Bologna gelten: [2] --Ralph Theo Misch 10:21, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Kreisler arrangement/Slavonic Dances

Just to let you know that your recently-uploaded file has had to be deleted because Kreisler is still in copyright in Canada and the EU until 2013. Sorry — P.davydov 08:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Hummel - Grande Sonate Op.92

Thank you for the Hummel - the more I get to know of his music, the more I like. Now if I could only afford to take a year off work and just spend all the time playing the piano....Aldona 12:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Farrenc

Thanks, I have and much enjoy the cpo recording of her quintets (my favorite works of hers) Eric 23:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Nice to hear that! This moment I'm scanning the other parts. I've got No.1 as well :) --Ralph Theo Misch 23:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

O Jesu Christ, mein's Lebens Licht, BWV 118 (Bach, Johann Sebastian)

Hi Ralph, and thanks for the scan! Just to let you know, I have removed the preface from the original file, as it constitutes original material (and therefore isn't PD in Canada, although the score itself is). Sorry, KGill talk email 23:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Worldcat; FP Lachner

was exactly the source I was referring to actually. Their description of his 'op.132' Ave Maria is oddly exactly the same as that of his 'op.162', up to publisher- and the op.132 one has the 1870s publication date, for that matter; they suggest a 1890s publication date for the op.162, the only substantial difference (except for the presence or absence of harmonium) that I can find. Google books once had scanned in a preview of a substantial and apparently excellent (in German, so I am guessing) modern treatise on Lachner's vocal and choral music; I refer to it in some work I did on Wikipedia (the list of his compositions, for instance) because inter alia it contains the most interesting and presumably accurate dates and information I've seen about his unpublished symphonies online yet. Google books has taken it offline but the book is probably still available for sale and at libraries... (ah yes. Jürgen Wulf (1999) : Die Geistliche Vokalmusik Franz Lachners: Biographische und stilistische Untersuchungen mit thematischem Verzeichnis. Hildesheim: Georg Olms Verlag. ISBN 3487108631.) I have no doubt that if you can find this book, it will resolve all Ave Maria (Lachner) - related issues and many other Lachnerische issues as well... Eric 01:46, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, thanks much and glad to hear! And as I said when the book was up on books.google.com (partially/in preview) before they removed it just about altogether, it seems to have useful information about much of his other output too. Though I gather from Mr. Fifield the conductor (who recorded X. Scharwenka's symphony and has written a book about Bruch,... and more :) ) that he is working on a monograph/dissertation about the symphony in the mid-to-late 19th century that may have very much to say about Lachner's works in that particular form (and others' work too.) Anyhow, if more gets scanned in of Lachner's sacred work (or other music that Wulf covers) I will be sure to ask you about that among other things- good news, thank you. Eric 21:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

In connection with which, BSB has, here (and etc.), a symphonic andante in manuscript in D major (36 pp. once blank pages are removed, and definitely not an Andante-Allegro, have skimmed the whole movement which I suspect is part of one of Lachner's symphonies, maybe one of the published ones, maybe not. Any idea which symphony it could be from, if Wulf's book contains movement listings for any of the Lachner symphonies? (BSB estimates ca.1837, the date of the D major 6th symphony, but I suspect its slow movement would not be in D major too- but who knows. The G minor 8th symphony does have an Andante for slow movement- i will listen to the sound sample at classicsonline.com and compare it with the opening of the manuscript-scan- D-E-Fis- E-Fis- G- A) - no, fairly sure it's not from the 8th symphony, though the themes are similar. (Probably not from syms. 1, 4 or 5 because of E major, E major or C minor to D major shift, but- could be, too. syms. 2 (F major), 3, 7 (both Dm), 6 (DM), make more sense all told... if it is part of one of the symphonies at all that is :) ) Eric 05:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll have a look later this day :) --Ralph Theo Misch 09:42, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks- I had a recollection that I'd learned about other works from Wulf (hence my use of him as a source in the Wikipedia article List of compositions by Franz Lachner ) but may be misremembering! Eric 13:09, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Sending question along to Mr. Fifield - if he has time he may be able to help. Also of course syms. 1 and 5 may have sound samples online to check against the Andante- while it is unlikely they have D major andantes (being in E major and C minor, again) it is not impossible. I do want to upload this interesting movement but if it's part of something larger would rather upload it as part of that, rather than as "Andante in D major" :) Eric 13:22, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, jpc (cpo is their house label) can be helpful - alas they often do not give track titles. of course for this there is naxos.com for Marco Polo CDs like the Lachner symphonies that have symphonies 1, 5 and 8. (which also have audio samples if you subscribe- but I sometimes have problems there too. I checked the andante of sym. 1 at amazon.com but the brief excerpt doesn't seem to match anything in the PDF. sym.5 doesn't have an Andante. Which leaves the unrecorded syms. 2-4, 6 and 7, if it's from one of the symphonies - or perhaps an orchestral suite...though BSB for some reason dates it ca.1837, maybe from watermark or other evidence? I do not know.) Eric 00:45, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Concone

I uploaded a piece (this one) awhile back which may have been variations on a work by the same Concone many works by whom you are now uploading. It would be a fine mystery-solution (well, for me...) if the theme varied was indeed from one of the works you have already uploaded - I will download at least a few and compare with Swinstead's variations sometime soon, I think :) Nothing important I guess, just thought I'd mention- have a great evening!! Eric 03:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Eric 19:47, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, understood-

but thanks!! Eric 16:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Magnificats seems to be the traditional English plural for a collection of pieces setting the text, I think. Eric 12:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you again!! Eric 23:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

I really need to learn how to do that... A good thumbnail and preview do of course improve a work page and make it stand out. (I like choosing the first page or an interesting one of the music of the score myself, when I've done something similar - choosing representative images for my iPod say :):) - but that is my personal preference; the cover is of course excellent too. I need to read the instructions to see -how- to do it... :) Anyhow- neat :) ) Eric 00:15, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again - I've tried a few thumbnails now. :) Eric 04:48, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

BSB, ...

With some sites I only can save pages or images and then use a program like Preview to put the images together as a PDF, since the sites do not provide PDF makers. This can be a problem - or at least, time-consuming...- when the pieces I'm trying to download are 220-page opera vocal scores (for example!) ... but agreed. As I've said elsewhere (say, about orchestral instrumentation listings here!), if it's worth doing, it's worth spending the time to do right- so I have to agree with that too :)... ... Forvo- my French pronunciation is only alright, but I will give the site more of a look. Thanks!! Eric 00:30, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I found that by subscribing using Google reader- then going backward in time (they uploaded all 3 op33 of the Thuille back on June 30th). RSS feeds and readers aren't only good for seeing the latest and most recently uploaded files :):) Once I finally figured out how to use RSS, I've had fun with it...
Also re op33, do we want to replace the thumbnail presently there with a color one (I've uploaded one)? If not I can delete the color thumbnail (from the Kahnt edition of op33/1) :) Eric 00:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

ah, you added the RSS link on

the main page? (I subscribe to the Recent Changes RSS feed myself.) Something seems to be broken actually... Eric 00:14, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

See feldmahler's talk, at the bottom.-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 00:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Seiffert preface-

I don't know if I would upload it - when was it published? Hrm. If it's from that PDF that also contains lots of Senfl, which I think was published in 1907 or so, then it may be PD-US/CA but not PD-EU, if I understand these things (until 2019, since Seiffert died 1948, etc.) So perhaps that would be ok... I asked about the keyboard since it affects what tag or tags I should use, for instance... Eric 00:26, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Reichardt

I don't know, not without -finding- a 1782 publication preferably in a library. I find a reference that claims, if I read it right, it was published then, but I should maybe have been less hasty in thinking that's what I read and in thinking it was right even if so... will check a few things... Eric 00:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Worldcat search for "Petrarchische Ode" only turns up the Serauky edition. But Worldcat unlike Google is very picky about spelling and Reichardt might have published his, if at all, under a slightly different title. Eric 00:30, 10 November 2010 (UTC) (there's also a 2010 edition "Adagio : Klavierstück über eine Ode des Francesco Petrarca" by the way.)
Hrm. A few related Worldcat searches turn up nothing more. The tree I would "bark up" might be one in which it was composed in 1782 - with composition perhaps a response to the death of his son? - I have no idea... - but date of publication might well have been 1959... will look into that next, anyway... Eric 00:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Just found something nice and big at BSB under Reichardt though, thank you for suggesting it... will upload it soon I think.  ;) (Well, it's dangerous in some ways...) Eric 00:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Sigfrid Karg-Elert

War das gestern ein Erlebnis "Nun ruhen alle Wälder" op. 87/3 endlich mal mit Noten zu hören.

Dieses selten aufgeführte Werk (paßt ja durch die zusätzlichen Solisten auch nicht so recht in den Orgel-Konzert-Betrieb) ist ja sooo schööön!

Danke für die tollen Scans!

Übrigens feiern wir am Freitag 19.11.2010 den 133. Geburtstag in Oberndorf/N.!

Schöne Grüße

Adeste fideles

If this is the familiar tune, the composer is actually John Francis Wade. UPDATE: Ha! Very different from the Wade. Thanks - Carolus 00:02, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Tobis Notenarchiv

Oh nein, ich wurde enttarnt :-). Danke für das Lob. Gerne stelle ich meine Noten - allerdings nur die noch fehlenden - hier ein. Allerdings verwende ich ausschließlich neu abgetippte Noten, keine Scans. Aber das ist glaub ich kein Problem. Schön, dass es sogar hier Fans meiner Seite gibt, denn umgekehrt bin ich großer Fan dieser Seite geworden! --TobisNotenarchiv 20:45, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Hallo Ralph, August Klughardt schreibt dazu 1897 im Vorwort zu dem Band in Breitkopf und Härtel: "Im Besitz Seiner Hoheit des Herzogs Friedrich von Anhalt, meines gnädigsten Herrn, befindet sich eine alte prunkvolle Wanduhr (Standuhr) mit einem Musikspielwerk, dessen reizende Weisen Originalkompositionen Seb. Bachs aus der Zeit 1717-1723, als er beim Fürsten Leopold von Anhalt-Cöthen in Diensten stand, sein sollen." so heißt es in mündlichen Überlieferungen. Die Uhr existierte zu dem Zeitpunkt 1897 wohl tatsächlich noch, wenn auch das Spielwerk beschädigt war. --TobisNotenarchiv 21:29, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Sacred choruses

Ok- the (MLA?) definition we use is "for choral compositions based on a religious subject" and that seems to fit. Considered adding the tag folksongs too but that can be added at a later date on reflection... I'm looking through onb HMB to look for confirmation of the publication date by the way, though not absolutely necessary I guess it is useful. Eric 01:55, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

(Ah, I think I see, I was looking in the wrong place :) ) Eric 02:15, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm inclined to think that "Carol" is the best description for this piece, as it's more specific. Anything in the "Carols" category will automatically come under "Religious works" as well — P.davydov 10:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

NMA

looking forward to your response. Note though my comment here re NMA and new-old information... :) (admittedly I should have linked to a news source or something for evidence if my claim is news to anyone... will be back on Monday from another mini-vacation and will do so.) Eric 14:42, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Vivaldi, RV 265

Hi, Could you be so kind as to remove the Eulenburg logos from the cover and title page of your lovely scan? Schott (aka Eulenburg) complained about it last year, so we don't really want t give them any excuses for creating difficulties for us. Thanks, Carolus 00:21, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi! Done - "upload a new version" didn't work in the case of the Thumbnail. I've uploaded a completely new file. Regards --Ralph Theo Misch 00:39, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Die Hohe Schule des Violinspiels

Hi, Your scans are really looking fine these days. I was wondering - since this is a very famous collection - if we should set up a page for it as has been done for other well-known collections, perhaps under David's name. I'll ask p.davydov what he thinks of the idea, but it might be nice to have the entire volume collection as a downloads by volume. Since it is such a famous collection, it's quite OK to simply use the short form of the collection title (as above). Happy New Year, Carolus 00:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I answered here. --Ralph Theo Misch 00:27, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

This is a copy of the contents of my 2 volumes:
Volume I.

  1. Heinrich J. F. Biber, Sonata (C minor)
  2. Arcangelo Corelli, Folies d’Espagne (Variations)
  3. Nicolò A. Pórpora, Sonata
  4. Antonio Vivaldi, Sonata
  5. Jean Marie Leclair, Sonata (Le Tombeau)
  6. Jean Marie Leclair, Sonata (G major)
  7. Pietro Nardini, Sonata (D major)
  8. Francesco M. Veracini, Sonata (E minor)
  9. Joh. Seb. Bach, Sonata (E minor)
  10. Joh. Seb. Bach, Sonata (C minor)


Volume II.
11. Georg Fr. Händel, Sonata (A major)
12. Giuseppe Tartini, Sonata (D major)
13. Tomaso Vitali, Ciaccona (G minor)
14. Pietro Locatelli, Sonata (G minor)
15. Francesco Geminiani, Sonata (C minor)
16. Sonata (A minor) – Unknown
17. Sonata (E major) – Unknown
18. Sonata (C minor) – Unknown
19. Fr. Benda, N. Mestrino, J. Stamitz, P. Locatelli, Kapricen
20. W. A. Mozart, Andante, Menuett und Rondo (G major)
Referring links will follow. --Ralph Theo Misch 18:10, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

You can now put them on the Die hohe Schule des Violinspiels page. Apparently it was first issued in 3 books, reducing to 2 only by 1891. More will no doubt be added over time. Carolus 00:23, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

That's fine - I've just seen it! - Thanks!! --Ralph Theo Misch 00:27, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Helmholtz

Hi Ralph. Just to let you know that he's been moved to Helmholtz, Hermann von in accordance with our naming guidelines. Cheers, KGill talk email 02:05, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi again, just to say that Zucclmaglio has been moved to Zuccalmaglio, Anton Wilhelm Florentin von (rather long, I know) for the same reason. Cheers, KGill talk email 02:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

1895

me too, so I confirmed from another source (Hinson's Music for more than one piano: an annotated guide at Google Books)- no offense was intended of course! Eric 02:17, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Lyonel Feininger

Hi,

Looks like this was only first published (as a facsimile of the manuscript) in 1971 (Tutzing: Hans Schneider). Do you have any info about an earlier publication? If it was truly unpublished until 1971, it's not PD in Canada (posthumous publication within 50 years of the author's death is protected for 50 years in Canada). 95 years from publication in the USA - though it had to have the proper notice. As Feininger was a US citizen it is not eligible for GATT restoration if Schneider, et al messed up the notice. If the work was publicly performed or recorded before 1971, the date of first public performance or recording may count as publication in Canada. Protected in EU until 2027 of course, longer in some countries (maybe UK) due to posthumous publication. Thanks for an interesting copyright review, Carolus 03:06, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I answered here --Ralph Theo Misch 14:55, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Looks like these items are free in Canada, but not the USA or EU. Thanks for all you research - it was a big help. Carolus 02:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

CR?

Hi Ralph. Would you like to become a copyright reviewer? You've uploaded so many scores and participated in so many CR-related discussions that I (and several others) feel that you would make a fine addition to the team. What do you think? (I can forward you the test if you wish to take it.) Thanks, KGill talk email 20:09, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I answered here --Ralph Theo Misch 00:51, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Neue Bestände

Bester Ralph Theo, Ich hoffe, es geht gut. Bin kürzlich auf größere Bestände bei der Staatsbibliothek Berlin gestoßen die hier (jedenfalls bei den Stichproben, die nahm) noch nicht vertreten scheinen: [3]. Es gibt dort unterdessen auch eine pdf-Funktion. Ich habe unser Projekt nicht vergessen… (Gut Ding und gut Weile). Bis bald, Dein Konrad

Lieber Konrad, freue mich sehr, von Dir zu hören! Bin morgen (heute) abend erst wieder daheim und melde mich von dort zurück. Viele liebe Grüße! --Ralph Theo Misch 01:33, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Volkmar, Adam Valentin

Hi Ralph, just to let you know that I've moved his category due to a minor spelling difference between sources (with more recent ones leaning towards the current form). BTW, several sources cited by LC give 1851 rather than 1852 - I guess Wikipedia just doesn't cite very up-to-date sources here. I wasn't able to find an exact death date, though (just the year). Cheers, KGill talk email 02:12, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

SBB

well, when it comes to translating German, my browser , dict.leo.org, and other resources help me... I'll have a look at the PDF of course - thank you :) - hrm. can't actually, it "hasn't officially been submitted to IMSLP" - I suspect I shall have to wait! ... Eric 01:48, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

ah, thanks! (...hrm- "Werkzeugkasten"- "Toolbox"? - this should be interesting. will soon put it on my regular list of sites to search (e.g. when out of curiosity I sought to see if anyone had scanned-in music by Ingeborg Starck-Bronsart and saw that BSB had her Osterlied, yesterday.) Eric (ooh, and a Ries piano concerto - no.9 op.177 - well, piano part of - that we don't have yet. will have to separate out the pages again I think- but I'll have the time, and it'll allow me to upload the individual movements of the huge file and process them using my primitive image programs to reduce the size... briefly- yay!! :) even an opera of his for when I really have time... )

L. Koch

do your Lachner resources mention who L. Koch might be? He seems to have provided the text for an 1844 Festlied w/o opus number (not the later one to a text by Muller) and for the op.106 duets, and other works too I think, but I don't know if I can figure out anything about him- first name and birth-death date data would be wonderful of course... if time allows :)... thanks!!! Eric 15:48, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Praeludio in G major (Bruhns, Nicolaus)

Lieber Ralph Theo Misch,
ich hab hier an die monochrome Version noch mal Hand angelegt (bzw. eine neue erstellt). Ich hab gesehen, dass Deine relativ kantig in der Vergrößerung aussieht, was mich schließen lässt, dass Du zuerst von Farbe nach monochrome konvertiert und dann erst skaliert hast. Das ist immer ein schlechter Weg, da die Farbversion deutlich mehr Information enthällt (nämlich den Verlauf verschiedener Farben). Daher lässt sich die Farbversion viel besser vergrößern. Du musst eigentlich in der batch Verarbeitung von Irfanview nur die Skalierung wählen, die Wandlung nach monochrome wird automatisch am Ende durch das speichern im CCITT4 Format vorgenommen. Schöne Grüße, Matthias 16:23, 1 April 2011 (CET)

I anwered here. --Ralph Theo Misch 23:50, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

SBB (redux :) )

finally exploring this - something to look forward to for when I get back from work this evening. have to break apart the PDFs to remove the title pages and whatnot, harder than for some other sites, but worth it. neat, big collection. thank you! uploaded Kalliwoda divertissement op28 from there. Eric 14:57, 23 April 2011 (UTC) (oh. I was just saving each page separately because I couldn't get rid of the first one. now i see how to change mode so that I can see, select and save the pages I want. much easier, much... that I can use for the opera too.)

also re SBB, made a suggestion on the template talk page for editing the SBB template - will it be too much bother for regular users of it too if the suggestion is implemented by the editor-thereof... (not that everyone will have to use the new stuff of course)? Eric 18:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Ah. the Titeldaten link of a SBB page will bring you to an information page that shows you a PPN permanent link number for that page - for the Physharmonikon page: the PPN is 642191840 which you can find by going to the workpage for the images at SBB - here - the 'titeldaten' link at the top left gives that ppn number and other information also. so in SBB on the imslp linkpage one can now put SBB|PPN642191840 for instance to link directly to the page. Eric 01:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Reger recording

Really nice recording! You have a great voice! I coincidentally got Reger's book "Modulation" today... Andrewt 02:02, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Just listened to some of your recordings of the Lewandowski Consolations--I really like the music! I'm going to have to print them out and play them myself now :) Are you planning on recording the rest of them? I hope so. I saw on the discussion page for the Consolations where you mentioned the quality of the mp3s--have you considered uploading FLAC files instead? Then you wouldn't hear any compression... but if you can't, the mp3s are ok for me--I just enjoy hearing the music. Andrewt 04:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Answered at Andrewt's --Ralph Theo Misch 23:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: Lewandowski recordings

Well, I'll actually be playing them on a chord organ (unfortunately with limited dynamic control and range) and the ones that exceed its range I'll be playing on my computer through Hauptwerk (or maybe my piano). I unfortunately don't have access to a real harmonium or organ (except for the electronic organ at my church) so I'm building a little MIDI console for my computer. I have one MIDI keyboard connected, and I have a 2-octave pedalboard that I'm going to hook up, along with another keyboard, so in the end I'll have a decent 2-manual organ. Regarding the FLAC files, IMSLP actually does support them (Feldmahler recently uploaded his Ballade for Saxophone and Piano in FLAC) but for some reason it's not mentioned. Here is a thread I started about it.

ThULB

hrm, nope, I hadn't. Ooh, Lassen's first symphony, other good stuff... (the Spohr 2nd symphony arrangement too... lots of operas... but looks like it's needful to save page by page. or is there a print or pdf button? don't see it :) ) Eric 01:45, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Do you still get access to the DFG viewer, cannot find it anymore, and even cannot save an entire page. Its now a tilebased system like Milano, or the high res BLB Karlsruhe scans: you have to use a screensave option???--Kalliwoda 06:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

By clicking on the work title there opens a new window. And there appear the words "alternativ im DFG-Viewer anzeigen" below the thumbnail.
Well - some records seem to be under construction and things may change from time to time.
See also here
Which piece are you looking for? --Ralph Theo Misch 09:29, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Ah, now I see it again... The Herzogenberg Legenden are also in quite acceptable 1600x2050pixel resolution, but even in the DFG viewer other files are much less - The Etüden op.3 by Ludwig Göring are only 790x1000 pixel, and that translates to less than 100dpi - really poor! Now in the other tile-based zoom (if you click on the thumbnail instead of the title), you can see the full 400dpi resolution but have to collate 8-12 screencaptures.- I still hope, they finally come around to follow SLUB or SBB rather than the other way around ...--Kalliwoda 11:57, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Sometimes the resolution varies within a single piece. Maybe that is meant by the remark "Dieses Dokument ist noch nicht fertig bearbeitet!" ('This document is under construction'). It appears here and there (?) when you click "weitere Angaben" ('further information'). --Ralph Theo Misch 12:12, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


You might like to try the Biblioteca Digital Hispanica. There are two sections, 19th c and classics. The 19th c (printed 215, ms 320) is 90 percent zarzuela but the classics may be worth a look for the non specialist (Eg Boccherini ms).

Regards WilliamBunting

William, thanks for the hint! I'll have a closer look next day. --Ralph Theo Misch 23:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

RTM,

Another couple of sites are the University of South Carolina and Muenster ULB miami.uni-muenster.de. The latter has a Doisy duo with enormous files. Regards WB

Doisy duo means "Trois duos concertans arranges pour guitare et flute par Doisy maitre de guitare" Paris 1807 There are about a dozen big tiff files, about 80 M each. WB

Doisy in this case is Charles Doisy (Doisy-Lintant), who one sees mentioned a few times as a composer in the early 19th century Journal typographique et bibliographique (think BdlF before 1811, though of course not exactly); died 1807 in Paris, teacher and composer. :) (sorry to respond to this 3 years after, just have been looking at the 1802-03 issues of the journal in question and started seeing Mr. Doisy's name... e.g. a Grand Duo Concertant by him dedicated to his pupil son Altesse la princesse héreditaire de Hohenzollern (Hohensollern, they have) Hechingern "née Princesse de Courlande", for guitar and piano, is mentioned on p.232, of the 5th year, 28th issue (30 Germinal, an 10 = 20 April 1802. ) Eric 11:53, 28 May 2014 (EDT)

Clavier-Sonaten für Kenner und Liebhaber, Wq.55-59, Wq.61 (Bach, Carl Philipp Emanuel)

Hi Ralph. I think you may have accidentally uploaded the wrong file for Wq.57 - it showed up as a duplicate of the file you uploaded two days ago for Wq.56. Thanks, KGill talk email 19:43, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Biblioteca Digital Hispanica

Hi Ralph, As I mentioned to William Bunting, please remove the annoying copyright claims before posting files from this library. It's completely bogus not to mention absurd, but getting rid of the claim reduces the chances of some tattletale sending them a message saying that "IMSLP is violating your copyrights" - something I imagine folks in the back rooms of certain Vienna music publishers have on their list of things to do when they're bored. Thanks, Carolus 02:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC) (IMSLP Copyright Admin)

This applies to the superb scan of the Gombert Magnificats – a wonderful set to have. Once there have been purged of the ridiculous © notice I’d suggest they are worthy of immediate promotion to the Featured Scores list. Thanks again, Philip @ © talk 07:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Dvorak op 97

Thankyou for the min sc. The parts are now available on ThULB, in a file after the 1890s score starting around p 70 Sorry I'm out of patience at the moment. But if anyone has a spare afternoon we could have a fine set of all the versions on IMSLP. Regards WB 15:02, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Gombert

Nice suggestion. Thanks-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 02:37, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


For Ren polyphony you might like to check Manfredi's madrigali in the book section at Nanki library (Tokyo).

WBunt

So far I've found only a text book. But we'll see. --Ralph Theo Misch 00:18, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Albeniz, 2 Danzas espagnoles, op.164

Dear Ralph, thanks for this! I need to ask if it is a straight arrangement of the piano work, because if it is, I want to move it to that page, which you wouldn't have necessarily noticed we have, because it's under the "Spanish National Songs" title. If you are planning on uploading the tango movement, and it is a straight arrangement, you might as well put it there. Thanks, Steltz 06:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Steltz, unfortunately too late I recognized the already existing page. So I left a notice at 'Summary' last night (I dont know how to redirect pages (move?)). Yes, I think it's a straight arrangement. Thanks! --Ralph Theo Misch 06:57, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for this, I will move it today. Steltz 07:23, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Zelter

Mais de rien, tout le plaisir est pour moi ! :-) Danke sehr für diese Scans. Letztes Monat hatte ich die Faksimile-Edition durchgelest, konnte aber sie nicht scannen...

BTW, do you know a catalogue of Zelter works? The "Z." catalogue seems to be for publications. So Der arme Thoms is No.4 of Z.122, but also No.7 of Z.124/IV. What would the best way to do, in case of we split the collections? "Der arme Thoms, Z.122-4"? Pierre Ch. 14:07, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

You're right. And in the case of that song there isn't any difference between the publications. Unfortunately there doesn't exist a catologue of Zelter's works. Johann-Wolfgang Schottländer planned one, but (according to MGG) the state of research is not yet sufficient. So the only thing we have are those Z numbers.
Do you think splitting the collection would make research easier for people? --Ralph Theo Misch 21:49, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure, in fact... but 1) I understood there is a policy here in favor of splitting (the "Sämtliche Lieder..." is not an "opus") − 2) there are already a few separate work page, like Der König von Tule. Should we add there a extract from Z.124, or a link to the collection? Pierre Ch. 12:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure, as well. I think we are the only 'experts' of that matter here and we have to make a decision (as musicology stumbles). I'd prefer linking the Tule (e.g.) to the referring Z. collection (as it is famous). --Ralph Theo Misch 23:41, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
I suspect we are talking about the same Faksimile-Edition. Are you looking for a special song or book? --Ralph Theo Misch 21:56, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes (maybe it should be written in the "|Reprint=" field?) − and no, the whole interests me − for the music itself, and from a pedagogical point of view: these short Lieder are very convenient! Pierre Ch. 12:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Indeed - especially the relationship between tones and words is ingenious. No surprise that his settings were very popular among the poets. So I'll continue this night... --Ralph Theo Misch 13:20, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Brahms

Hallo Ralf,

Du hast die Noten "32 Volkslieder (Brahms, Johannes)" hochgeladen. Ich habe durch Recherchen festgestellt, dass es sich dabei um WoO 32 und WoO 35 (die Nr. 28) handelt. Sollte das dann nicht gesplittet und aufgeteilt werden? --TobisNotenarchiv 19:47, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Brahms

Hallo Ralf,

Du hast die Noten "32 Volkslieder (Brahms, Johannes)" hochgeladen. Ich habe durch Recherchen festgestellt, dass es sich dabei um WoO 32 und WoO 35 (die Nr. 28) handelt. Sollte das dann nicht gesplittet und aufgeteilt werden? --TobisNotenarchiv 19:47, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Hallo Tobis Notenarchiv,
Wenn ich mich recht erinnere, schrieb Friedländer von Frühfassungen schon veröffentlichter Lieder einerseits und bis dato (1932?) noch gänzlich unveröffentlichten andererseits. Daraufhin hatte ich mir nur letztere vorgeknöpft. In den letzten Jahrzehnten mag sich da wohl einiges getan haben - oder ich habe nicht richtig gelesen. Jedenfalls suche ich gleich nach dem Band. In jedem Fall hast Du natürlich Recht: Die Sachen gehören an den richtigen Ort! --Ralph Theo Misch 20:53, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Hallo Ralf, ich bin kein Brahms-Kenner, ich hab halt mit Google nach den Titeln gesucht, weil keine Op.Nr. angegeben war und habe dort die WoO-Nummern herausgefunden und die Werke dann auch bei IMSLP unter den beiden Nummern in der Liste von Kompositionen Brahms die Dateien dazu gefunden, dort könntest Du es ja unterbringen. Viele Grüße --TobisNotenarchiv 17:48, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi TobisNotenarchiv, habe den Band wohl ausgelagert - schaue morgen nach, wohin ich ihn verschleppt habe. Momentan mache ich mir hauptsächlich an Herrn Zelters Werk zu schaffen, Victorias Opus Omnia Bd.1 drängt auch einigermaßen. Aber die Sachen von Brahms müssen ja geklärt werden. Danke Dir für den Hinweis! Hätte da noch eine Idee zu den Rekonstruktionen verschollener Konzerte von Bach. Aber davon später... --Ralph Theo Misch 22:56, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Hallo Ralf, vielen Dank für deinen Enthusiasmus und dein Engagement, die Korrektheit des Eintrags zu verifizieren. Ich denke, letztlich kommt es ja nicht drauf an, wer nun tatsächlich der Erstveröffentlicher war, möglicherweise war dies damals gar nicht so einfach wie heute, herauszufinden ob ein Werk bereits veröffentlicht war und IMSLP gab es auch noch nicht :-). Hauptsache die Werke finden auf der jeweiligen Werkseite zusammen. Viele Grüße --TobisNotenarchiv 19:45, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Slumber on Baby, Dear (Gottschalk, Louis Moreau)

Hallo Ralf,

ich bins schon wieder. Beim Eintragen von noch nicht in der "List of compositions" eingetragener Werke bin ich bei Gottschalk auf das Werk Slumber on Baby gestossen, dass keine Werknummer enthält. Nach einiger Recherche bin ich dann darauf gekommen, dass das Werk identisch ist mit dem Stück Op 47 Berceuse. Man sieht es aber erst auf den 2. Blick, da der Satz anders ist. Evtl. könntest Du die Slumber Baby-Seite dort integrieren. Gruß --TobisNotenarchiv 20:18, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Tobias, habe die Datei 'Slumber' nunmehr auf die Seite von 'Berceuse' gepackt. Bin mir aber nicht ganz sicher, welches die Bearbeitung und was das Original ist. Ich nehme stark an, dass die Version für Gesang und Klavier zuerst da war (alle Nachforschungen legen das nahe). Will vorerst die 'Slumber-Seite' nicht zur Löschung freigeben (u.a. wegen der Werk-Informationen. Danke für den Hinweis! --Ralph Theo Misch 22:22, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Paque

Dear RTM Please see my note about Paque on my talk page WB

Thanks for the wikipedia advice. How do I add a link to Waefelghem's arrangement list ? His S-S the swan arr for va and p is not mentioned. Regards WB

Dear William, it was GKill who has done it.
→The swan: I assume you mean this. As it is part of Le carneval des animaux only this work page is mentioned at the arrangement list. Regards, --Ralph Theo Misch 11:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Victoria/Guerrero

I'm not sure where the Guerrero reference comes from, so I wasn't necessarily meaning the page composer should change, unless Guerrero can be absolutely pinned down as the composer. There are many cases of this type, and, for instance, it took many years to establish that Wagner's Adagio for clarinet and strings was written by Baermann, and that Vivaldi's Il Pastor Fido was written by Chédeville. How sure are you that it is now considered to be by Guerrero? Steltz 06:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Now that I see there are two others uploaded that are probably from that set (Guerrero, Beata Dei, and Soriano, In illo tempore), perhaps you could look at those and see if I've done the links correctly. Also, if the authorship is certain, I want to tweek the wording slightly on the Pastores -- the "presumably" should probably come out, and I should also probably list these three on the Motecta Festorum page as being not by Victoria. Steltz 06:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Frankly - I wasn't really sure last night as I just followed the remarks on the top of the pages: Auctore Thomae .... Victoria; Auctore Franciscus Surianus etc. But now I've read the article at MGG. At Motecta festorum totius anni cum communi sanctorum there are mentioned those three works that are not by Victoria, furthermore their titles and their composers. --Ralph Theo Misch 08:06, 14 July 2011 (UTC)