User talk:Boccaccio

Dear Mr or Mrs Boccaccio

Welcome to IMSLP! Your scans of the manuscripts of the Napoli Bibliotheca are most interesting! However, it is difficult to understand the origins of the manuscript (copyist, date). Do you have access to this information, for example on the website of the library ? --Peter talk 13:59, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

Well, the copyists are in most cases not known by name (actually there are also some autographs, in this case it is easy, of course). The date of origin for most pieces is given on the library's website (or rather through the search engine [1]), though in most cases it just gives rough estimates like 1710-1740. The problem however is that some of the works I downloaded from there some time ago are currently not available, so I cannot give any date. Nevertheless all of them are pre-1800, so from a copyright point of view they are "clean". --Boccaccio 14:17, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

Really interesting contributions, Boccaccio. Thanks so much for them! Carolus 15:47, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
Well, don't thank me, thank the people in Naples who did the scans. My task was just to compile them into one pdf file using imagemagick and to upload them here. --Boccaccio 15:54, 11 July 2008 (EDT)


user instrument category

Dear User,

After discussion on the forum, the IMSLP Instrumentist categories have changed for flute and recorder. The old category containing both flute and recorder (with instrument code rec) is now split in flautists (fl) and recorder players (rec). All users who used the old rec instrument-code now only are registered as recorder players. Please correct this to your own wishes. Thank you, Peter talk 17:31, 12 July 2008 (EDT)


Considered sharing some of those wonderful typesets? :)-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 17:28, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Well I thought that maybe I should wait until I finished the whole Libro VII. Furthermore I am not sure if I am allowed to post the scores here on IMSLP since I use the Malipiero edition as a source (though I leave away everything which is due to Malipiero like all dynamics and B.C. figures).--Boccaccio 01:51, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

Hello Boccaccio, yes you can post them here as long as you eliminare anything added by Malipiero that is his own original work (like B.C. realizations). Items added from other public domain sources are OK, however. For example, if Malipiero inserted dynamics from an ealier printed edition or different manuscript sources, those dynamics would be OK. Carolus 02:59, 25 April 2009 (EDT) (IMSLP Copyright Admin)

  • I guess the real problem is to figure out what is Malipiero's addition and what not. Dynamics and B.C realizations certainly are, but who knows if he corrected obvious typos etc. There are no critical notes at the end of the volume which could give enlightenment in this case. --Boccaccio 03:05, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

Correcting typos would not meet the "threshold of originality." Dynamics could, if they were truly original additions and not obvious interpolations from parallel passages, instrumental doublings, etc. The obvious missing dynamic in a viola staff where there are already dynamics in the violins above and the bassi below doesn't really meet the threshold of originality, either. Hope this helps some. Carolus 03:15, 25 April 2009 (EDT)


I have just answered here:

Ciao Carmar


I just finally created my account here because I needed to thank you. I am having so much fun with your scans! Best wishes, Eva

  • Thanks for your thanks. But I'm just uploading what the people in Wroclaw scanned. --BoccaccioTalk Email 06:16, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

Telemann - SLUB

All I can say is ...... OUTSTANDING!!!! Carolus 15:08, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

And there are roughly 300 of these scores! :-) --BoccaccioTalk Email 15:12, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

Re: Oboe Concerto duplication - Don't worry, I'm sure someone will get around to deleting the duplicate at some point or other! :-) --Robert.Allen 20:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Could you give me the filename? I'll delete if you need it. Of course, in the future, just add the template{{Delete|Reason}}-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 20:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
It's here: [2] --BoccaccioTalk Email 13:39, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Done deal.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 14:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


Hi, and thanks for all of your fantastic contributions! In the future, when posting manuscripts, could you please use the "Manuscript Scan" category instead of "Normal Scan?" This automatically puts the score into a "manuscripts" category, and many more useful things. Thanks again, and I look forward to future posts!-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 13:44, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Oh sorry, my fault. At some point I just did the filling out of the upload form more or less automatically, must have hit 'n' instead of 'm' at one point... Well there is enough left to exercise ;-) --BoccaccioTalk Email 13:50, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Oh, and I like the new signature. Been getting ideas from me, PML and Peter, have we? ;)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 13:50, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, though it took me some time to figure out why on my page the link to my page is not shown as a clickable link ;)--BoccaccioTalk Email 13:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi Bjoern, I thought I'd chime in here; as you've found out, self-referential Wiki links turn out bold rather than clickable. The six books of five-part Gesualdo madrigals in score is an amazing upload. Wow. By the way, I've done a lot of re-typesetting of Monteverdi's book 8, occasionally borrowing from midi files imported from CPDL - including your own. Do you have any particular objection to me putting things up here as CC-BY-SA 3.0? Also, at some stage I'm going to attempt to fill out more of this page and do a bit of a tidy-up of the equivalent pages over at CPDL. Philip Legge @ © talk 07:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Philip, feel free to upload anything as CC-BY-SA 3.0. When I found the Monteverdi scores on the net, I was also thinking about resetting them (using Lilypond) in order to make them available at mutopiaproject and/or here. I didn't know that the list of compositions of Monteverdi existed, really nice! --BoccaccioTalk Email 08:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


I nearly fell off my chair when i saw what you were doing...awesome!!!!! This goes on featured scores the SECOND you are done! :)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 14:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, there is some more to come...:D Be ready to also see all Gesualdo madrigals soon! --BoccaccioTalk Email 14:43, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

!!!!!!!!!!!! Your fan club looks like it's going to get much much larger! (Telemann and Quantz vs. Gesualdo and Monteverdi)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 14:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Fontana: 9 Sonatas

Dear Boccaccio,

I was very excited when I saw that you have put the Fontana sonatas up on IMSLP but when I try to open the pdf, it only opens up a blank page for me. Is there something wrong with my browser, or is there a problem with the file? I am very interested in getting hold on the sonata VI in particular.

Thank you very much,

Best regards,


Hi Elen, I just opened the file and it works for me nicely, but I have to admit I use Linux (and okular to view the pdf). Maybe someone else can confirm if it works under Windows and Acrobat Reader, too. Otherwise you may also try the website of the Univerity Wrocław, where I found this file originally. They offer it as djvu. --BoccaccioTalk Email 04:50, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


Hi, Bccaccio. You might want to use a better file name for your uploads. Thanks, ClassicalComposers 16:15, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, Boccaccio. Oh, and don't include "major" for major keys anymore. And don't capitalize "minor". Thanks, ClassicalComposers 16:19, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok I will try to rename all files (though this is a lot of work and will slow me down enormously!). Why is 'major' not included any longer And why does 'minor' now use small letters? A long time ago I used small letters and someone capitalized it consequently and now everything is reversed? Sorry, I don't understand this policy!!! --BoccaccioTalk Email 16:23, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
It is that currently, the majority of all work pages follow that format. Thanks, ClassicalComposers 16:25, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
And 'currently' means that in a year or so we reverse everything back? Concerning the file names: Why do the Sibley imports have their more or less original name while SLUB names should be changed? --BoccaccioTalk Email 16:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Not if we strictly enforce the format. Sibley imports kep their original names because the files are directly taken from Sibley, not individually uploaded. Unless you imported your SLUB Dresden files directly to IMSLP, which I doubt. ClassicalComposers 16:53, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok, you won. But then you or someone else may keep uploading the SLUB stuff, I will retire here. --BoccaccioTalk Email 17:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Actually, just upload whatever you can. You don't have to rename the old files, but just do so for new uploads. Those manuscripts are beautiful :) ClassicalComposers 17:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Well, renaming would be impossible for me as a normal user I guess unless I reupload everything. However, I feel to lazy to rename anything, so I quit. --BoccaccioTalk Email 17:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
No! Please don't! Well, we'd rather have you continue uploading. I could do the renaming for you if you want me to. Thanks, ClassicalComposers 17:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
One more point concerning 'D' vs. 'D Major': It's horribly inconsistent to have 'D' but on the other hand 'B-flat Major'. --BoccaccioTalk Email 19:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll explain: I didn't know if we wanted to use "B flat" or "B-flat". Therefore, I didn't move them, so we wouldn't have extra redirect pages. ClassicalComposers 20:10, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I can't see any mandatory rule for the naming of files in the score submission guide. As one can see in the Filelist almost each user prefers another system, including me. As long as the file name is unique (which is, by the way, automatically guaranteed by the prefix+number PMLP...) it is ok. We have more important things to do here than reuploading files with different names! Some users do have a slow connection making a reupload simply annoying, hence there's absolutely no need to do this extra work. Hobbypianist 20:52, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
You are right, I also think that especially when just taking over scores from another library it is a good choice to keep their original file names. --BoccaccioTalk Email 20:53, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
It's ok. We do not force user to follow a certain naming. You can leave the names as they are if you want. Keep up your good work! It would be a great pity not to have those nice manuscripts. Hobbypianist 21:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
It's OK. Of course. I'll forgive you. You're welcome. ClassicalComposers 22:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

RV 574

This is a confusing piece! The catalog listings have "Trombon da caccia" while the parts themselves are labeled with the more familiar "Corno da caccia." There's a separate Violin part labeled "Concertato." While the Oboes and Horns are not labeled that way, they appear to be quite florid. What about the Bassoon? So, should we list this as: "Concerto for 2 Oboes, Bassoon, 2 Horns in F major, RV 574"? (No need to mention the strings and continuo as they are assumed in the context.) I'm just trying to imagine what our Vivaldi page will look like when we have all 250+ Violin Concerti! Thanks, Carolus 22:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Well I'm not an expert on baroque brass, so I don't know what the difference between Corno da caccia and Trombon da caccia might be, if any. Maybe, different sources of this work state different instruments... Concerning the solo instruments, you are right, the bassoon is having a part rather doubling the continuo. However, as the catalogue states it as a solo instrument, I would prefer to keep it as well in the title. --BoccaccioTalk Email 11:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

We should probably keep the Bassoon then, even though the catalog is obviously not correct - strictly speaking. Corno da caccia is much more commonly encountered than Trombon da caccia, a very unusual term which may have been another name for a somewhat notorious stringed instrument - the "Tromba Marina". Malipiero lists Horns in his edition. I am in favor of using Horns - especially since these parts are clearly labeled "Corno da caccia". Carolus 06:33, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh it seems that something went completely wrong with the piece now. Yesterday evening when I restored all Vivaldi pieces to ther pre-CC state I moved RV 574 to 'Concerto for Violin, 2 Trumpets (Horns), 2 Oboes and Basson in F major, RV 574'. Now when trying to reach the page I just get 'Fatal Error: Bad page name.' --BoccaccioTalk Email 08:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

It seems to have disappeared. I'll ask Perlnerd if he knows how to restore it. Where did you get the trumpets from? Malipiero's edition also calls them Horns (Corni da caccia), like the Dresden parts you uploaded. Apparently, this piece is the about the only instance of the term "Trombon da caccia" being used. I wonder if it was a transcription error on Ryom's part. The Vivaldi category is looking nice and orderly now, BTW. Great job. Carolus 19:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I just had a look at the RV we have here on IMSLP and it states that the concerto is for trumpets. Concerning Vivaldi there is one more problem that occured today during uploading. I have a pdf from Dresden which contains to Ouvertures to operas, labelled simply as Opera 1 and 2 for Sant'Angelo in 1717. The first one I recognize to be the ouverture to 'L'incoronazione di Dario', however for the second one I have no clue. Should I put this file just under 'L'incoronazione di Dario' then? --BoccaccioTalk Email 19:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think that's the most logical thing to do. If we discover what the other one is later, we can always split the file. As for RV 574, I can only recommend listing the concerto in whichever form would allow the most users to find it easily - even if there is a technical error in the commonly used title listing. For example, even though the Bassoon part does not appear to be intended as a concertante part, all references I've seen list it as one. It should therefore be listed in order to avoid confusion. The case of Horn vs. Trumpet vs. Trombone is more complicated, since Malipiero and Fiala both use Horn, while Ryom uses Trombone and whatever list was posted here uses Trumpet. If you think that the work is best known using the Trumpet listing, you should probably set up the title that way here and include the explanation on the work's talk page. Carolus 20:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah now I recognize my mistake. Trumpet is of course completely wrong, it's either horn or trombone. I just had a look for the concerto at youtube. There I found recordings which stated they use 'Trombon da caccia' but when you listen to the instrument it sounds like a horn. So probably the two things have been more or less the same. If the piece reappears here, we should probably call it Concerto for Violin, 2 'Trombon da caccia', 2 Oboe and Basoon (Are ' or " allowed in the page name?). It seems that it takes as longer to set up the correct page than it took Vivaldi to compose his whole opera 'Tito Manlio'. :D --BoccaccioTalk Email 20:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Ha! It probably is taking longer! I think the bug has been fixed so that we can now use the single-quotes. The page has been restored, so I'll move the title per your recommendation. Regards, Carolus 23:52, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


Of course, I don't really give if you want to leave. In fact, I wish that you would just leave IMSLP forever and stop screwing up my edits. If it's a war we need, then we'll have war. ClassicalComposers 22:45, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

The user ClassicalComposers' account has now been suspended for intimidating behaviour/harasssment — P.davydov 23:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for reconsidering! More Vivaldi :)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 03:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Quantz Triosonata QV2:29

Hallo Boccaccio, Du hattest dieses Stück als Duplikat-Seite QV2:Anh.29 hochgeladen. Die SLUB url link weist aber auf QV2:29, deshalb habe ich es gleich korrigiert (wundere mich dabei nur über die SLUB webpage, wo es für fl ob Bc aufgeführt ist - wohl ein Fehler).--Kalliwoda 15:18, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh danke, bei den ganzen Triosonaten verliert man während des Uploads schon einmal leicht den Überblick. Was die Instrumentenangaben der SLUB angeht, darf man da glaube ich nicht viel drauf geben, da ist schon mal hin und wieder was von den Noten verschieden. Ich könnte mir aber gerade bei den Triosonaten vorstellen, daß das daran liegt, daß im QV vllt. wirklich Flöte und Oboe angeben sind und die SLUB selber halt die Variante für Flöte und Violine hat, da wurde im Barock ja munter ausgetauscht. --BoccaccioTalk Email 15:32, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

First Editions

Just wanted to make sure that you're aware of the FE Template...-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 04:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I have to questions concerning this template. First of all, what are these templates about in general? Do I have to add them by hand? Second, would one consider the SLUB uploads as first edition as they are rather just manuscripts than printings. --BoccaccioTalk Email 07:03, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I would say that manuscripts are not first editions (unless they're reproduced, printed, etc.) add the template, just put {{FE}} in the "Editor" box.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 15:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Triosonata Titel

Hallo Boccaccio, Habe bei den Triosonaten von Telemann angefangen, Instrumentations-info zu allen "workpage" Titeln hinzuzufügen. Hoffe Du stimmst mir zu, daß das nützlich ist und imslp sogar viel benutzerfreundlich macht als die SLUB Seiten.--Kalliwoda 17:55, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, ich hab da jetzt so spontan keine Meinung zu, tendiere aber fast eher dazu, nur Trio Sonata als Titel zu nehmen, da die Instrumente ja in den meisten Fällen eh beliebig austauschbar sind (in manchen Fällen wird das sogar explizit vermerkt). Vielleicht kann man das erstmal auf der Diskussionsseite oder im Forum besprechen bevor man hier erst in die eine und dann wieder in die andere Richtung verschiebt. --BoccaccioTalk Email 18:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Nachtrag: Bei genauerem Betrachten der Telemannseite würde ich sogar sagen, daß Trio Sonata definitiv besser ist, weil man ansonsten die Ordnung nach Tonarten verliert und alles unübersichtlicher wird. --BoccaccioTalk Email 18:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Vivaldi overtures

Hi Boccaccio,

The second overture found in this PDF file you uploaded is the sinfonia from the opera Arsilda, regina di Ponto, RV 700. Just thought I'd let you know. --Daniel79 04:44, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh thanks for this information! Will you create a work page for Arsilda and link the file there? --BoccaccioTalk Email 09:54, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Done. Can you please check here to see if everything is OK? (I'm new to this!) --Daniel79 17:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Looks nicely, thank you for your effort! --BoccaccioTalk Email 20:25, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


Hi Boccaccio, most exalted uploader of scores, etc. etc.
I was wondering if you

  1. Had any Salamone Rossi in your uploading queue
  2. Were willing to push it to the top of said queu? Songs of Solomon :)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 23:11, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, first of all I must admit I don't really have a queue for uploading things. The only thing I upload regularly at the moment are the new Vivaldi and Telemann pieces from SLUB to keep IMSLP up to date in this respect. The things I upload from the Library of Bologna come more or less at random whenever I need some distraction from finishing my PhD thesis. Unfortunately, I have not found any pieces by Rossi on the Bologna Library apart from his contribution to 'La Maddalena' which is already here at IMSLP. But I promise that whenever I shall find some other pieces of him, I will try to remember you! --BoccaccioTalk Email 06:41, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks anyways. The Vivaldi and Telemann is wonderful. And if they scan any more Bach...:)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 15:25, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Vivaldi with Op. numbers

If you can, could you make sure when uploading to put those concerti with Op. numbers on those pages instead of their own? It's all right if you can't. thanks-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 02:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I will try my best. In most cases, the SLUB site not only gives the RV number but also the Op. numbers provided they exist. However, one could also object that for Vivaldi most works lack an Op. number and so the RV is the better choice to label and sort pieces. Maybe one could introduce a separate page for each work based on the RV and have the pages for Op.1-12 only as some kind of collection? --BoccaccioTalk Email 08:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC) it on the forums, and see the reaction. That's not a bad idea.-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 15:29, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


Hi Boccaccio, I don't know if you recieved my imslp mails 'cause I never had any answer. Your message is very kind, i'm very interesting with that but I had looked at Curl and it seems not easy to use for a simple-mind as me. First I can't install it on my pc on windows(indicate can't find libeay32.dll ) to see how to manage it. I 've found a explanation saying You just had to copy curl.exe in a répertoiry included in the PATH but PATH hasn't any sens for me. If you're an expert and have time, i 'll be happy to read you... Thanks again Squin, 17 May 2010

No, I never got any imslp mail :-( Ok, I forgot that there are people who might not use Linux or any other UNIX-based system like Mac OS. So i guess the easiest way to get a running curl under windows is by installing cygwin, which emulates a UNIX environment on Linux. To do this, one has to download a setup from the cygwin homepage. Running the setup is rather self-explanatory, you have to define where to install cygwin and then you have to choose from a set of packages you want to install. Choosing curl suffices, everything else needed will be resolved automatically. Once you installed curl, you can start cygwin by clicking on the installed icon, which opens a terminal window where you now have to type the command you need to get the file. The precise form of this command will depend on the name the files are named by BNF. But as long as the names are systematic and not assigned randomly, one should manage to get the files automatically. Maybe you can provide me with some particular example of either files or file name (scheme). In principle, we could also share work, I download the files, make them available to you and you can then process them further. Btw, do we have here on IMSLP some collection of knowledge how to download files from libraries, how to process them and combine them into single, nice pdfs? If not, we probably should create something like this. --BoccaccioTalk Email 17:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Many Thanks Boccaccio for thoses explainations and your time.. I will try and return to you for an example if I sink...Squin, 19 May 2010


Could you please start using the newly minted SLUB template for the "scanner" field? Thanks.-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 13:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I was waiting for something like this actually :) However, there seems to be one drawback of the template. It lacks the precise URL of the piece at SLUB, which contains the PPN number like, e.g., According to SLUB, this is actually the persistent URL, so I guess it would be nice if we could include the PPN. Is this technically possible? --BoccaccioTalk Email 06:32, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely. Now, just do {{SLUB|/ppn}}-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 16:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Seems to work nicely! --BoccaccioTalk Email 18:04, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Btw, is it possible to create a similar template for the Library of the University Darmstadt (ULB) which offers many Graupner Cantatas (I uploaded already some, but there are many more to go)? --BoccaccioTalk Email 18:59, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Julliard Collection

Dear Boccaccio, we need your help !!

I had this discussion today with Funper :

Funper: Hello,

I see you upload Liszt Andantino manuscripst. You keeped Juillard quality scan . Excellent! :) On Juillard site , There are some Liszt & Beethoven 's manuscripsts I want to capture . How did you this --Funper 23:29, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Squin Salut Funper, I think you can't catch these in one shot. I was obliged to puzzled, wanting a good quality. I proceed with screen captures. It takes hours for a big score. I first do this with some Scriabin manuscripts to give it as a gift to a dear friend (the excellent composer Jean-philippe Bec) witch indicate me this site. And I pursue for me with Poulenc, Mihaud (but I think i can't upload them for rights), Mendelsshon, Brahm's op 119 and now 118. Liszt was made especially for you 'cause i've seen you made first edition. That's why I've let you the message about it 2 month ago. So, If you want I compil you something, I'll do it with pleasure but Beethove, grosse fugue, 123 pages = 200 heures = 300 Mo minimum for good quality- Ouf !

Funper Oh là là ! Non, non, non ! Merci beaucoup cher ami, It's too heavy to do ! . I'll try to see if there's any easy way of attaining the manuscripts without doing screen captures. As you can see on the right side of the Juilliard site, the pictures are in JPEG and one can see their filenames. It shouldn't be all too hard to attain them, in some way or another. Thanks again! :)

Squin: We should ask Boccaccio to look at this. He wrote me to propose me some help about others things and seem to be a boss on e-technic. I'll resume your question on his page... Bye

So thanks a lot if you've time to see if there is something to do: julliard, So Inform me on my page...

I will talk you too next about manuscripts on Bibliothèque de Versailles 'cause I've problems with my PC and Curl....Squin 29 May 2010

Oh this looks rather unpleasant... The site is written in Flash, so at least at the moment I do not see a way how to get access to the jpeg files directly. Maybe we have here someone who is really a computer expert and can find out where the jpeg files are in the end stored on their servers, otherwise I do not see any chance to get these files easily at the moment :-( But Versailles should be easi, I remember they allow one to access the files names easily. --BoccaccioTalk Email 19:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks Boccaccio, I will finish my Brahms puzzle -Squin-


Lieber Boccaccio! Ich wollte dir ganz herzlich zu deiner Arbeit gratulieren. Besonders deine Bemühungen um Graupner sind wiklich sehr lohnend. Bisher kannte ich den Komponisten nur dem Namen nach und wußte ein paar Einzelheiten über sein Leben,aber nun kann man auch einmal einen Blick in seine Musik werfen. Ich werde mich im Sommer bestimmt einmal mit der einen oder anderen Arie beschäftigen. Herzliche Grüße Bassani

Über Graupner bin ich ja nur zufällig gestolpert, als irgendwer hier angefangen hat, die ersten zwei, drei Kantaten hochzuladen. Da die entsprechenden Seiten der Darmstädter Bibliothek so wunderbar übersichtlich waren, lud das direkt ein, da einiges hochzuladen und ein wenig hat mich schon der Ehrgeiz gepackt, alles hierher zu transferieren, auch wenn das ein sehr langwieriges Unterfangen sein dürfte. An dieser Stelle sollte man aber auch darauf hinweisen, wie hilfsbereit und engagiert die Leute in Darmstadt sind. Als nach einer Webseitenumstellung gewisse Dinge nicht funktionierten, schrieb ich eine Mail und innerhalb weniger Stunden waren die Webseite und das Graupnerwerkverzeichnis wieder vollständig funktionstüchtig!

Was mich bei den ganzen Handschriften deutschsprachiger Barockkomponisten aber wundert ist, daß ich enorme Schwierigkeiten habe, ihre Handschrift zu lesen, bei den Italienern wie Porpora, Scarlatti etc. tritt das Problem nie auf. Gut das mag zum Teil wohl daran liegen, daß die deutschsprachigen Handschriften aus der Feder des Komponisten stammen während bei den Beständen in Neapel oft Abschriften von Kopisten vorliegen. Jedenfalls würde ich mich derzeit nicht getrauen, Graupnerwerke mit Lilypond zu editieren, wie ich das bei anderen Werken ja schon hin und wieder mal mache. --BoccaccioTalk Email 13:04, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Campra Hippodamie

Hi dear Boccaccio, Können sie (oder könnst du) mir hilfen, as proposed, for this score on B.Versailles ? I used to get Versailles pages with only one + zoom (2+ are too big, none macht schlecht quality pdf)? How to proceed ? Wie können das machen ? Danke sehr für deine kindness - Herr Squin - 24 june 2010

Hi Squin. I just gave it a quick shot and it works in principle. However, some pages are left out (or rather not found by curl) so I will try to figure out how to let curl wait some seconds between subsequent downloads. I fear I will not have time to do so before the weekend. -- BoccaccioTalk Email 14:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Excellents news... take as time as you want and let me informed on your page ... Merci

About your comment on Flash files, Horndude77 post on forum in 2007 this . So theses scans are broken down to fragmentary jpegs, and can be reached by the main site. The problem is now to recombine them easily (a sort good software to compose panoramic photos ?) … If you’ve got an idea….

- Squin -

I downloaded the Campra files completely and send you an email concerning this. Concerning the fragmentary jpegs, I tried to combine them using imagemagick, but did not succeed yet. --BoccaccioTalk Email 14:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Graupner cantatas

Hi Boccaccio. I've started tagging one or two of the Graupner cantatas, but can you confirm whether the vocal parts are for solo voices or for choruses? — P.davydov 17:05, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh that's a difficult question. I must admit I don't really know this. There are some works which contain only one voice which are certainly for solo voices while the secular cantatas surely involve a chorus. But with the rest we probably have to ask a specialist on Graupner (you could try an email to, this is the Belgish professor who works on the GWV, he usually replies very quickly). I guess it is similar to the Bach cantatas, in principle the composer liked a chorus but if there were not enough singers, then soloist were ok as well. --BoccaccioTalk Email 19:16, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


Your sources wouldn't happen to have a scan of any of his things? Thanks-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 01:03, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I just did some quick check, but couldn't find anything. --BoccaccioTalk Email 08:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks anyways. Cheers-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 15:11, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


Hallo, Boccaccio, wohl habe ich verfolgt, welche Schätze Du aus den italienischen Bibliotheken gehoben hast. Deshalb frage ich nun Dich: Wie komme ich an diesen Mikrofilm heran? Meine höfliche Anfrage an die Damen und Herren in Bologna blieb bislang unbeantwortet; ich fürchte, da kommt auch nichts mehr. Muss ich selber dort hin? Vielen Dank im Voraus! Grüße von --Ralph Theo Misch 23:54, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Das ist eine gute Frage, die ich glaube ich leider selber nicht beantworten kann. Ich habe bisher aus Bologna nur die Sachen hochgeladen, die dort schon standardmäßig digitalisiert waren wie etwa die Madrigale Monteverdis und Gesualdos. Immerhin bist du aber schon quasi einen Schritt weiter gekommen als ich indem du offenbar eine Emailadresse auf deren Webseite gefunden hast, an die man sich wenden kann, das ist mir nämlich nicht gelungen.
Ein weiterer Punkt der mich an der Seite ein wenig ärgert ist, daß man hier unter den Punkten 'Digitalizzazioni recenti' und 'Digitalizzazione microfilm' früher Links fand, so daß man leicht sehen konnte, was es dort schon digitalisiert gibt, was nun leider - aus welchem Grund auch immer - nicht mehr der Fall ist. Deshalb habe ich auch mal mit Hilfe von Google versucht, die entsprechenden Digitalisate zu lokalisieren und dann hier auf meiner Seite aufgelistet.
Also bleibt wohl doch insgesamt nur Urlaub in Bologna ;-) --BoccaccioTalk Email 07:10, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Danke für die schnelle Antwort! Die von mir entdeckte Mail-Adresse lautet: Aber wie gesagt - bislang keine Reaktion; immerhin hatte ich am 16.6. geschrieben. Falls ich es in diesen Ferien (NRW) noch bis nach Bologna schaffen sollte: Soll ich etwas mitbringen? ;-) Vorher versuche ich aber noch, eine Kollegin dort zu belästigen... Tanti saluti! --Ralph Theo Misch 16:06, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Da fallen mir spontan natürlich tausende Dinge ein, die du mitbringen könntest :D Aber besonders interessant wären sicherlich die Musiche e poesie varie von Benedetto Ferrari. --BoccaccioTalk Email 15:26, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Wenn Du dort auf FACSIMILE klickst, öffnet sich eine Karteikarte, auf der man wiederum Email anklicken kann. Vielleicht führt das ja weiter - immerhin scheint der Ferrari schon faksimiliert vorzuliegen (wusste gar nicht, dass der auch komponiert hat). --Ralph Theo Misch 07:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, so ganz werde ich aus der Karteikarten-Seite nicht schlau, was wohl auch daran liegt, daß ich kein Italienisch kann...naja ich werde mal schauen wie weit ich da komme. Ferrari hat einiges komponiert, und die erwähnten Musiche varie sind sogar mittlerweile auf CD erhältlich (zumindest in Auszügen). --BoccaccioTalk Email 11:57, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

SLUB Dresden — Schuetz

Does SLUB Dresden have any Schuetz manuscripts or first editions? They should, given his term of service there...thanks-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 13:25, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I just had a look but couldn't find anything there :-( Actually, I got interested in Schütz myself recently, I already asked ctesibius about his plans to upload further volumes of the Schütz Edition. --BoccaccioTalk Email 14:02, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that. Homerdundas says he has a bunch of Schutz from the old edition coming up-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 14:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Do you know if he Homerdundas also has access to the madrigals op.1? Ctesibius most likely will have problems getting these easily, unfortunately these are the pieces I'm most interested in currently. --BoccaccioTalk Email 14:28, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Ask him! :)-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 19:15, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

BTW - I've just found Schütz's Historia des Leidens....nach dem Ev. Matthäus - Breitkopf, 1887, V.A. 720 - in the cellar. The editor is Arnold Mendelssohn (died in 1933). Is it urgend? --Ralph Theo Misch 00:09, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

It's not really urgent for me. For the rest of this month I will be rather busy finishing my PhD thesis, so there won't be much time left for music. --BoccaccioTalk Email 07:45, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

It's coming next week, apparently, in the old-schütz edition-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 20:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm looking forward to this :-) Thanks for the info - I'd almost started to scan. --Ralph Theo Misch 10:41, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

File descriptions

Thanks for all of your contributions! Quite a bit of CR work :D. One thing: could you please capitalize titles (e.g. "Complete Score"), as oppose to "Complete Score". Likewise with "Complete Parts". "And" should not be, though. On the contrary, could you please not capitalize instruments? According to the General Information guide, it's not needed. With kind regards, BKhon 20:03, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I will try my best. One question, however: I abbreviate voices as SATB or SSATB and the like. Should I keep this and capitalize them? --BoccaccioTalk Email 22:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

SLUB project

I was wondering if the SLUB mirror/upload project continues and continues to be open to new members - though I don't know offhand who to ask exactly. Won't be able to participate at a breakneck pace but would like to do so somewhat at least if I can (depends on whether they have a PDF/print button and other things too, but will see as to that) - anyhow, happy to try to contribute ? Eric 00:43, 3 October 2010 (UTC) (hrm, for example a number of their scanned-in Franz Benda sonatas haven't been transferred over our way yet- possibly all the Telemann has, but at least some of the rest hasn't. That answers that question- anyhow, sorry, go on :) Eric 00:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC) )

Well the SLUB mirroring is not an official project here (at least that what I think), so feel free to join in. Actually contributing is very easy in this case, you just download the pdf from their website and upload it here as it is. So far I think we have Telemann and Vivaldi rather completely, but there is for example also a lot of Graun lacking. --BoccaccioTalk Email 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Have been getting a start, with trial and error (I'm probably going to have to move those Benda 'symphonies' to 'sinfonia' soon for example for accuracy) but generally it's not too difficult so far and interesting, and worth doing! Always glad to have another interesting source of good music, and with an RSS feed yet (like Sibley and some others too). Eric 03:14, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Vivaldi RV 779

Re the names inscribed on the score- I gather this is true for a few of Vivaldi's compositions (though my source is a review of a CD- the CD itself named after some of those students :) - in Fanfare music magazine, and not an unimpeachable source. Still, yes, have had the impression he did this a few times anyway- though perhaps still unusually; I don't know! I would agree it is interesting, though. I believe at least some of the students so named were from the Piéta (orphanage) where he taught, though perhaps not always. Eric 03:12, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I also read in different places that this practice of naming instruments by students was quite common for Vivaldi. But actually this comment is not by me , but by Fynnjamin (which you can find out by having a look at the Site History, I just uploaded the file originally, but as you know in a wiki everybody can change everything), so you should probably contact him for discussion. --BoccaccioTalk Email 17:01, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think this counts for me as a 'brainfart' - sorry about that. Eric 17:02, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

No problem :-) --BoccaccioTalk Email 17:07, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


Surely Herr Graupner must be smiling somewhere up in heaven for all of you wonderful uploads. Outstanding work! Carolus 19:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't believe in any form of life after death, but I will nevertheless continue uploading this stuff :D --BoccaccioTalk Email 19:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Manuscript scans

Thanks for your recent uploads. They are much appreciated, BKhon 19:14, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

We now have the complete ouvertures by Graupner :-) --BoccaccioTalk Email 19:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Previous files uploaded

Hi Boccaccio,

You probably already have figured it out, but just in case, here's the List of files uploaded whose pages were lost as a result of the server crash. Carolus 08:23, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes I noticed and I tried to recover the corresponding cantatas (I linked them on my page, just 7, so I was quite lucky). However, I get a strange error message on these pages, maybe you can have a look what goes wrong at the moment. --BoccaccioTalk Email 08:25, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Sames files

Hi Boccaccio, I hope you're fine.. I see that we're uploading the sames files (Marenzio, today Pecci...) May be it will be better to allocate tasks together before... Tell me what you want to do, I have no preference and I'll do as you want... (I just noticed that your Marenzio Madrigals 6 voices Book 5 - Canto - has a pagination problems) Squin 12:43, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi Squin, I uploaded the Pecci files today only in order to solve the problem with the Alto part that had a damaged page 4. With Marenzio, I simply overlooked the files that you had already uploaded as I was too excited to have found some new Marenzio stuff. But in general, I do not have any plans to upload other madrigal books from BNF at the moment (But I will correct the pagination error in Marenzio soon). I'm rather focussing on Graupner at the moment. --BoccaccioTalk Email 12:53, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok Boccaccio, thanks for Alto p.4 , I dont' know why it was impossible for me to catch it... I think that the transfer of the currents madrigals on BNF to IMSLP is almost done (except for duplicates) Squin 13:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Graupner Ouvertures GWV458 and GWV461

Hallo Boccaccio, these two pieces had oboe d'amore as solo instrument listed, but the unspecified solo part is notated in Bb, includes doublestops in the inner movements: most likely viola d'amore (violetta). I inquired with Graupner 2010 and they changed their entries now. So I just corrected both works here as well, including the change in the tag. --Kalliwoda 09:53, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts. I mainly just down- and upload things and copy stuff from Graupner 2010 without too much checking. --BoccaccioTalk Email 10:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


Fabulous work—nearly done! Incidentally, Graupner is now a safe 300 works ahead of Schubert on IMSLP, making him far and away the most represented composer in terms of number of work pages.-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 15:55, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

1400 Cantatas and some 100 instrumental pieces are hard to beat... Only if we could get a complete Telemann probably :D --BoccaccioTalk Email 15:58, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Guinness world record holder=Telemann<Bach :)-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 16:16, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Page titles

Hi Boccaccio. Could you make sure that you always use lower case "major" and "minor"? Believe it or not, this does have an impact on sorting, searching etc. Thanks — P.davydov 12:21, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

O sure, sorry for that. Seems I was too fast and excited when uploading the last pieces by Graupner that have been missing here so far. --BoccaccioTalk Email 12:29, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


Hi Boccaccio! Just to let you know that he's been moved to Urbanus, Gregorius as that's the spelling of his name found on the score you uploaded (not Georgius). Cheers, KGill talk email 15:34, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I was just following the entry at the Wroclaw Library which states the name is Georgius. But I must admit I did not know about the existence of this composer before, so I have no clue what his name really was. --BoccaccioTalk Email 18:12, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Sinfonia, FaWV M:B2 (Fasch, Johann Friedrich)

Hallo Boccaccio, You may have not noticed the discussion entry referring to your upload I just changed the pages accordingly. Greetings--Kalliwoda 12:06, 26 June 2012 (EDT)