User talk:Homerdundas



Welcome to IMSLP and thank you for your wonderful contributions!

I notice you play flute and oboe - I'm impressed! I play flute (as you know), and my dad used to be an oboe player in an orchestra in Poland before he came to Australia. I remember him saying to me once that it would be very difficult to play both flute and oboe well (something to do with quite different embouchure/ breath techniques/ etc. required.)

I have enough trouble with flute and alto flute - and attempting to play the alto after I have been playing the piccolo is just a disaster for the first few minutes until my mouth adjusts.

I hope you enjoy IMSLP, and gain as much benefit from the site as others surely will from your scores. Aldona 17:13, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

My archive

Click here for start to end of 2009

I moved it to the better location User talk:Homerdundas/Archive. I hope you don't mind.Snailey Yell at me Email me 19:02, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Thanks... keeps an orderly website. :-)

Archive 2010
Archive 2011

Todo List

Kurtzweilige Teutsche Lieder (Regnart, Jacob)
1. complete list of madrigals (total 67) is on Publikation älterer praktischer page.
2. arranged madrigals (5vv) by Lechner should be broken up and placed on each work page
Doctor und Apotheker, Kr.292 (Dittersdorf, Carl Ditters von) too large...??
sort out pachelbel magnificats, move to work pages as necessary Compositionen zumeist Fugen uber das Magnificat (Pachelbel, Johann)
two pages titled L'arte musicale in Italia (Torchi, Luigi) and L'Arte Musicale in Italia
should Premier livre de tabelature de luth (Bakfark, Bálint) be under composer Various
Check Talk:Dardanus (Rameau, Jean-Philippe) <<<<under way
index for Les Fêtes de Polymnie (Rameau, Jean-Philippe)
break up movements of Kammersymphonie (Schreker, Franz)
break up Kuhlau op.110 Nos.1...3
copy stuff from Cantorion
more ponchielli
Funeral Marches
telemann - extract first work from tafelmusik and make page for it
J H Schein
break up Cantional (Schein, Johann Hermann) or cross reference?
BREAK UP Veni creator (Battre, H) - BY battre, BINCHOIS and who else?
Wiewol viel herter Orden sind fix page 2 (greyscale)
upload Poulenc Mamelles
fix Intonazione del primo tono (Gabrieli, Andrea) and Intonazione del Primo Tono (Gabrieli, Andrea)
Fünfstimmige blasende Music (Pezel, Johann Christoph) - see comment
schubert piano trio d929 - upload new gesamptausgabe with all pages
finish Johann Hermann Schein: Sämtliche Werke links to work pages <<<under way
Musica boscareccia (Schein, Johann Hermann) done, I think

Collections with Anonymous composers

Erhart Oeglin's Liederbuch (1512)
Newe deudsche geistliche Gesenge für die gemeinen Schulen
Trent codices
Liber Fratrum Cruciferorum Leodiensium (Various)


Manuscripts - voices and orchestra parts manuscripts by:

Category:López del Río, Manuel Antonio
Category:Veana, Matías Juan de
Category:Quiroz, Manuel José de
Category:Nebra, José de
Category:Jerusalem, Ignacio
Category:Francés de Iribarren, Juan
Category:Quiroz, Manuel José de
Category:Zumaya, Manuel de
Category:Leo, Leonardo
vocal scores Editing Madrigals - Set 2 (Wilbye, John)
how to catalogue Gavottes Célèbres (Grünwald, Adolf) and Menuett-Album (Various)

Catalog of Copyright Entries for the USA

L'Arte Musicale in Italia
Denkmäler deutscher Tonkunst
Denkmäler der Tonkunst in Österreich
Publikation älterer praktischer und theoretischer Musik-Werke
Les Maîtres Musiciens de la Renaissance Française
115 Weltliche u. einige geistliche Lieder (Ott, Johannes)

see re stamitz, xaver richter:Category talk:Senfl, Ludwig

Cantica Sacra (Playford, John) - should list various composers <<<<<<<<<<<DONE
Harmonia Sacra (Various) <<<<<<<done - not all composers have other works
Chioce ayres, songs, & dialogues (Playford, John) <<<<<<<under way- not all composers have other works

Missa Brevis (Theile, Johann)
Misc. Notes: it also contains Missa Brevis by Christph Bernhard
add a link here? or category?

Ballet Egyptien

  • Clarinets

quaver rest 7 instead of \-

Bolognani editions

Hi, I seem to recall Mr. Bolognani has forbidden the posting of his items here at IMSLP, preferring folks to visit his own website. Would you mind sending him an e-mail to see if he's OK with it? I'll leave the piece you uploaded untagged until we know one way or another. Thanks, Carolus 02:21, 8 January 2009 (EST) (IMSLP Copyright Admin)


Thank you for Antigone. The mendelssohn page will be complete soon...eventually...Snailey Yell at me Email me 11:14, 9 January 2009 (EST)

I hereby abandon my plan to completely upload the Mendelssohn Gesamtausgabe from the BSB, as the UME scans are considerably better! --Peter talk 13:31, 9 January 2009 (EST)
Plus, the BSB doesn't have it all.Snailey Yell at me Email me 16:13, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Could I put in a request for the full incidental music to Midsummer Night's Dream and the Symphony No.2? Sorry for the begging yet again. :)-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 14:15, 14 March 2009 (EDT)


I think Richault must have issued most of his works as sort of a 'series of collected works' starting in the 1830s going into the 1850s, just to judge from the plate numbers. Carolus 04:03, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

BTW, I have taken the liberty of splitting up the so-called Op.11bis and submitting it to the two separate work pages (and updating my new sortable list), just to let you know.--KGill 01:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed your neat table. I'm still trying to sort out some of these - It's more complex than I first imagined... I hope we are not working at cross purposes. Is it a good idea to split scanned editions? I would guess it's better to just cross reference them, if we didn't do the scanning to begin with (courtesy to the originating library & keeping one printed edition together). --Homerdundas 01:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, the actual edition doesn't give an opus number (does it? I didn't look too hard)- the only place you saw Op.11bis was on the site where you got the scan. And I think Aguado was one of those composers who got put into a lot of collections. So I guess if, say, Villa-Lobos's Choros 1 got put into a 'Brazilian Guitar Music' edition or something like that that included some of his other works, like selected Preludes and Etudes, would we make that its own separate work page? We'd split it up (at least, from what I've seen here) and mark it as Reprint -- or whatever. So I'm not sure exactly how we would cross reference- could you elaborate? And I was careful to still give credit to the library (I tried to give credit to you, too, but somehow that screwed up and I can't fix the page...weird).
Also, those tables really aren't hard. I just copied the headers/column widths from one of Davydov's and went from there (with a bit of specialization, of course). This is actually the third I've worked on (the others are Ropartz and Villa-Lobos- still way far from being complete, what with 568+ works).
Anyway, maybe in the future I'll consult with someone before messing with their uploads. Especially when they've been here way longer than me. :-)--KGill talk email 01:21, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I just messed with this page as well: Menuets_et_Valses_(Aguado,_Dionisio). Perhaps the same is in order here... It might be worth a question to Carolus "the boss" some time about splitting files obtained from third parties.--Homerdundas 01:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Good idea, I just asked him.--KGill talk email 02:51, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
He's confirmed that it's all right to do this. Have you identified which pieces Nos.7 and 8 are? If not, I'd be happy to. In the meantime, I will split the other parts of the file and upload the correct portions to the respective work pages.--KGill talk email 16:32, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually, Nos.7 and 8 do not appear to be part of anything else we have here...--KGill talk email 17:00, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for forgetting to get back to you for three days. My guess is that the other two are part of Op.5, so I put them there, and the other pages have been deleted (as you can see). KGill talk email 21:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


Thanks! This looks nice. Fixed up the page...a lot. You can use it as a "template" for future use (also see the title to which I moved the page)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 02:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Nice! - I can't say I'm uploading the complete, complete works edition. There are about 5 works missing from the set. Oh well. I've uploaded 3 works from my directory so far. Only 171 more to go. --Homerdundas 03:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Any chance that you'll be doing more with this soon? I would love to see some nice PD editions of some of his great works available...and any editions of others. Thanks.-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 23:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Freie Vereinigung

Hey homerdundas,

Thank you very much for submitting all the volumes of the Freie Vereinigung, and making sure they appear to each composer's page.

I am just letting you know that I am currently in the process of splitting the collection into the individual pieces, to make it more accessible to viewers. I will, of course, be referencing back to the original year, month, volume and magazine.

Do you think it would be a good idea to have the volumes in a separate category (perhaps under the Genres somewhere, for solo guitar music), and have the volumes there in a neat list (like, for example, that neat little box containing all of Beethoven's symphonies here - with different colours perhaps), and the Publisher's information in each individual piece's Work Page could link back to that volume, which would still be on IMSLP in that page?

Let me know :) -jujimufu 21:13, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I used to think that splitting such things was bad, but I've revised my opinion - thank you. I revised my opinion because we can easily have a page 'recollecting' the collection - as a publication page. I have done this with the huge Italian collection L'Arte Musicale in Italia. Perhaps create a little template {{FreieVereinigung|etc|etc}} to make everything easier.

We could possibly just use the list which I created to index them? (Talk:Freie_Vereinigung_zur_Förderung_guter_Guitaremusik_(Various)

The Boije collection also has another such set - Guitarristische Vereinigung - which has a similar 'problem'. (I only got as far as downloading them to my system.) Let me know if you begin on this set to! --Homerdundas 21:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Is the Guitarristische Vereinigung the same as the Verlag Gitarrefreund? I have done all of the Verlag Vereinigung (I think), with works from very very similar composers as the Freie Vereinigung, only from the years 1909 to 1917, I think.
Earlier today (before reading your reply) I made this music publishers' page: Freie Vereinigung zur Förderung guter Guitaremusik. I have included your index (but changed it to make it sortable by field, which is very handy to see content by volume/issue, or by composer or piece title), as well as your uploaded files (and a table of contents to make it easier to browse). I am now finishing uploading the individual pieces to each composer's page, so once I finish that I will remove the composer categories from the Freie Vereinigung "composition" (Various).
The other problem I have encountered is when there are two very short compositions in one page. For the moment, I put these aside to edit them later with photoshop or something, and split them in two files, to make things clearer.
I hope all this is alright :) If the Guitaristische Vereinigung is not the same as the Verlag Gitarrefreund, let me know - I am very used to splitting files and renaming them very quickly, and I could do the uploading quite easily (it took me 3 days to split, rename and upload each individual composition of the Freie Vereinigung). The only problem is finding information on some very obscure composers (like J. Franz, Joly, or Bissantz, among others).
Let me know if all this is ok, and feel free to make any changes to the pages as you see fit, of course :) Thanks for your uploads, it's really great to have the volumes up as well, to have everything concentrated, and as a historical element. The index was very useful too, and now that it's sortable it's easier to use! -jujimufu 20:37, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Is the Guitarristische Vereinigung the same as the Verlag Gitarrefreund?

No, I don't beleive so. I guess check the Boije collection and download a few volumes to make sure. (Of course there could be some overlap... )

Everything you're doing looks super!

--Homerdundas 01:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

 :P Just doing my bit for IMSLP. I know it's a not-so-very-known publication, but it's nice to have things neatly.
I just downloaded some of the Gitarristische Vereinigung, and it's the one I've done - if you look at the bottom of their publications, they are published by a Verlag Gitarrefreund, in Munich. I may have missed a couple of issues, but I am going to check soon. I've also finished the Freie Vereinigung - there's only one or two things to be done (like, uploading some anonymous pieces and a couple more pieces which have to be split in two and stuff), but other than that it's pretty much there :) And every entry has the plate number, so you can find which volume/issue the composition is coming from, and download the respective volume at the publisher's page. I haven't created a similar page for the Verlag Gitarrefreund - do you think we should? (they're not as clear with plates, and that would also mean we would have to run through all the already-uploaded compositions and fix the publisher's field to link back to the publisher's page) (which would be a PITA).
I have also spoken with Aldona, and as she is also uploading stuff from the Boije and the Danish Royal Library, I think it would be a good idea to create a project page for these two, so we can organise ourselves and avoid redundancies, as well as knowing how much we've finished already.
-jujimufu 09:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Look at

Oboe, Clarinet and Piano

Trio for Piano, Oboe and Clarinet, Op.27 (Destenay, Edouard)
Trio (Gilson, Paul)

Flute Clarinet and Piano

Dances of the Khustup Mountain (Manookian, Jeff)
Sonatine en trio, Op.85 (Schmitt, Florent) piano or harpsichord
Trio for Flute, Clarinet, and Piano (Salamon, Sean Michael)
Trio (Manookian, Jeff)
Bohemia (Lamb, Joseph Francis) - Arranged
Zwiegespräch in Form einer Serenade, Op.4 (Pfyffer, Franz) - Arranged
Grand Duo Concertante No.1, Op.43 (Clinton, John)
Sonata for Clarinet, Flute and Piano, Op.11 (Emmanuel, Maurice)
To Be a Bird (Saboohi, Ehsan)
The Wind (Rolock, Reiny)

Flute, Oboe, Clarinet and Piano

Humoresque for Piano Quartet (Gianopoulos, George N.)
June Dances (Salamon, Sean Michael)
Quartet for Piano and Winds (Mayeur, Louis Adolphe)
Suite for Flute, Oboe, Clarinet and Piano (Amberg, Johan)
Variationen über ein Lied von Emil Titl, Op.3 (Fahrbach, Anton)

Oboe, Clarinet, Bass Clarinet and Piano

Quartet for Oboe, Clarinet, Bass Clarinet and Piano (Scherber, Ferdinand)


Tarentelle (Gaubert, Philippe) flute,oboe pf
Trio for Oboe, Viola and Pianoforte in E-flat major (Simpson, Daniel Léo)

Serenade, Op.49 (Schadewitz, Carl) FL VN VA
Quintuor, Op.44 (Pauer, Ernst) ob cl bn hn pf
Wind Quintet in F major, Op.132 (Zoeller, Carli)
The Universal Sparrow (Carbajo, Víctor) 3 treble
Suite in F major (Witt, Christian Friedrich) 3 treble
Vier Gedichte von Li Tai-Pe (Beer, Hans-Peter) wind quartet and mezzo
6 Variations on Nel cor non più mi sento for Piano and Flute, Op.33 (Köhler, Gottlieb Heinrich)
Quartetto for 4 Winds with Pianoforte (Ponchielli, Amilcare)
Quintet for Piano and Winds, Op.38 (Duncan, Edmondstoune)
ActII,No.14 zauberflote parts
2 Harpsichord Quintets (Schröter, Johann Samuel)
Quintet and Sextet in F major (Toeschi, Carl Joseph)
Sextet in C major (Cannabich, Christian)
Wind Quintet No.2 (Domansky, Alfred) fl 2cl hn bn
36 Fantaisies pour le clavessin, TWV 33 (Telemann, Georg Philipp) fl ob cl bn
3 Sextets, Op.5 (Holzbauer, Ignaz) (fl,ob,bn, vn,va,vc)
Oboe Concerto, Op.12 (Barth, Christian Frederik) oboe and full orchestra
Concerto for Oboe and Violin in D major (Valentini, Giuseppe)
Quintet, Op.8 (Neukomm, Sigismund) (ob or cl, 2vl, va, vc)
Quartet in F major (Devienne, François) Flute, horn (or cello), viola, cembalo or fortepiano.
6 Sonates en quatuors, Op.12 (Guillemain, Louis-Gabriel) (Fl Vn Vdg Vc)
Piano Sonata No.2 in F major, K.280/189e (Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus) oboe quintet
Flute Quartet in C major, W.B 16 (Bach, Johann Christian) (2fl, vn, vc)
Journal pour les Amateurs de Quatuors (Various) (fl, 2vn, vc)
6 Quartets (Wesström, Anders) fl vn va vc
Quartet in F major for Flute, Oboe, Violin and Continuo (Riedel, Fortunato) fl vn va vc
Quartet for Flute and Strings in D major (Sperger, Johann Matthias) fl vn va vc
Serenade for Flute and Strings, Op.25 (Wailly, Paul de) fl vn va vc
12 Quadri 'Paris Quartets' (Telemann, Georg Philipp) fl vn va vc
Flute Quartet in C major, W.B 58 (Bach, Johann Christian) fl vn va vc
Don Giovanni, K.527 (Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus) ob vn va vc
Oboe Quartets, P IX:21-22 (Krommer, Franz) ob vn va vc
Fantasia for Oboe and Organ in F minor (Krebs, Johann Ludwig) arr. ob vn va vc
3 Pieces for Oboe Solo, Op.164 (Plante, Cyril)
2 Long Single-Movement Solo Pieces for the Oboe, Op.23 (Santos, Luigi Tasso)
La febbre terzana (Brida, Giano)
Prisms (Patterson, Robert G.)
Rêverie (Debussy, Claude)
Wind Quartet (Verbalis, Anthony)

Continuing the Victoria discussion...

...I've found a large number of Gesamtausgaben of which I had not known of B&H (e.g. Obrecht, Josquin, Machaut) which UME perhaps reprinted? Do you have access to any of these? Thanks, -- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 22:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and Schuetz, since you uploaded at least one file from that :)-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 22:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Ok... I was confused for a small moment when you said B&H - Boosey & Hawkes! They don't have Breitkopf's Josquin, but about 20 of his works from D.d.t. in Oest and Aelter praktischer etc. They do seem to have the Schütz complete however (listing 319 titles). No Obrecht. No Machaut.
I'm presently working the alphabet - from both ends. (Zachow done I think, A,B done and remainder of Caldara coming today). I'll do it in any other order if you have a preference.... --Homerdundas 00:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

This is fine. Thanks!-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 16:51, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Could you do the Op. 1 Madrigals please? Thanks-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 00:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
OK, coming in a week or so--Homerdundas 20:07, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Great.-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 20:18, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Done.--Homerdundas 19:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Is there any chance of getting "Symphoniae sacrae II" as well? I would be particularly interested in "Es steh Gott auf". --BoccaccioTalk Email 08:36, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Done.--Homerdundas 16:28, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Excellent work, good sir! Thanks-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 16:30, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Just wonderful! :) --BoccaccioTalk Email 17:36, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Zachow - Herr, wenn ich nur dich

Hi there, thanks for your wonderful contributions by this (and many another) composer. Unfortunately, something seems to have gone wrong in the above-mentioned work on page 6 of the pdf. Any chance of correcting this? Cordially, Joachim Andrévierendeels 14:11, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello! - the original from University Music Editions is damaged. I can try to find a library with a paper copy of this and rescan it - but it will be a few months. --Homerdundas 14:42, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


Does UME have any of the Opera Omnia (Haberl)? I know that uploading that would be a bit of an immense task, but...-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 15:59, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Funny you should ask ... I'm getting ready to upload the first 100 or so of about 900 works. My source files them under 'D' for de Lassus?!! (I'm working on the D composers at the moment). Cheers, Homer. --Homerdundas 02:32, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful! Thanks—although there are many more that 900 works (!) in the œuvre.-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 02:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for your Lassus uploads, Homer.
Yes, the old Haberl & Sandberger “opera omnia” is anything but a complete works edition – it fails comprehensively and spectacularly to meet the criterion of “omnia”. However, we’re unwittingly creating just as much ambiguity by throwing around the term “Sämtliche Werke” with glib abandon – there are three works editions claiming this title, when you also count the “Zweite” revision by Leuchtmann and the “Sämtliche Werke: Neue Reihe” by Hermelink et al. published by Bärenreiter.
All the same, some more of the 900 or so items from Haberl/Proske/Sandberger would be very welcome, even if these are only (only! the number of works thus described beggars the language) the motets/madrigals/villanelles/moreschas/chansons/lieder, and thus do nothing to address the other substantial and numerous work categories: i.e. masses/magnificats/canticles/lamentations/passions/hymns/litanies/lessons/antiphons/musica reservata/instrumental works. Having done a little bit of work on the page listing (Orlando di Lasso sämtliche Werke), I can report just 36 of the ~920 items in just the first set of categories have been uploaded.
I gather UME have all of these available as separate items? Is there anything anyone else can do to simplify the process of adding them to IMSLP, short of having access to the server where UME store their files? Regards, Philip @ © talk 06:41, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi Homer,
thanks for the latest additions. Might I suggest leaving indications of multiple settings out of the page title? I moved Verbum caro panem verum to remove (several settings) from the title – and as far as I was aware, several did not include the number two. ;-)
As far as I can tell, the editions by Haberl only rely on Carl Proske for the three and four voice settings, which would mean Proske should only be (posthumously) credited as co-editor on volumes 1 and 3. Do you have any indication that he made any contribution to the odd-numbered volumes from 5 to 21? (If Christoph Lahme would like to weigh in on this topic, I would have no objection either.)
Volumes 1 and 2 look like they’re over halfway complete... but there’s nineteen more though! :-( Cheers, Philip @ © talk 09:22, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
>Do you have any indication that he made any contribution to the odd-numbered volumes from 5 to 21?
The vast majority of information on page Orlando di Lasso: Sämtliche Werke is from Worldcat. Almost anything else would be more accurate!
Would your sources for volumes 5, 7, etc. have the prefaces or title pages, which might have an explicit citation for Proske’s work? I am having trouble finding any indication that Proske’s contribution was in any way so extensive as to merit joint credits on all eleven volumes of motets. I suspect Worldcat are taking the joint credit on volume 1 as gospel for the remaining ten volumes of motets – which seems to me a stretch. Philip @ © talk 14:28, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Ignore my question – I browsed up the page and saw from one of the earlier conversations, apparently there are usually no scanned prefaces with your files. A trip to the library seems my next port of call, it seems! Cheers PML


Hi Homerdundas, you uploaded quite some works by Schütz some time ago. Do you also happen to have the other two volumes of Symphoniae Sacrae? Greetings, BoccaccioTalk Email 21:49, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

I will be uploading the remainder of the Heinrich Schütz: Sämtliche Werke in the next month or so. This should include the other two volumes. I will try to do those first. (There may be some missing, I will not find that out until I have finished :-( . ) --Homerdundas 17:33, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

That's great news! I'm already looking forward to more Schütz :) --BoccaccioTalk Email 18:06, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Homerdundas, is Schütz still on your future-plans list? --BoccaccioTalk Email 13:16, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Boccaccio - I've had an unexpectedly busy spring and summer - I will begin uploading more over the next week or two, and then again in September after my vacation. --Homerdundas 18:53, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Theo Wyatt

Hi, Theo compiled a list of orchestra parts on the wiki which mentions which ones have 'issues' (like Gory's which lack page turns, etc.). He wonders if you would like to link a copy of his PDF list on your page of orchestral parts. Let me know and I'll upload it here, or send it to you. Thanks, Carolus 06:05, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Carolus - yes - is the short answer. What I usually do is include errata in the discussion area of the relevant work page, with an extra link from the affected score. I guess I'd like to look at it first to see how best to include it. So maybe send it to me. Thank you.--Homerdundas 15:18, 23 February 2012 (UTC)