User talk:Steltz

Dear Steltz, coming in to imslp to day to clarify the instrumentation of my songs uploaded yesterday, I was quite pleasantly surprised to find the work completed! Since 16 years passed since the orchestration I would have to do what you did: go through the score and count up the various instruments. Thank you for doing that. All best! User:EFerreri

Dear Steltz, Please do not change file names, as it makes it impossible for anyone to download the file if you do. You can add the key information into the "General Information" section. Thanks, Carolus 14:54, 2 July 2009 (EDT) (IMSLP Copyright Admin)


Viola Sonata (1939) (Hindemith, Paul)

- was this mistagged as PD in the EU? I think all Hindemith is under copyright until 2034. --Homerdundas 10:59, 1 January 2014 (EST)


I just wanted to thank you for your comments on the forum — P.davydov 08:39, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

... and more genres

In answer to your question on the forum, we'll probably be working through the existing sub-genres and converting these to tags, with one person working at a time on each sub-genre. Do you have a preference? Thanks again for volunteering, BTW — P.davydov 00:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)


Just saw your note about the Antoniotto piece. Do you need any help with the renaming? — P.davydov 15:08, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


Yes, please, the last time I tried to correct something like this, I accidentally made the file unfindable!!

Berwald piano trios

Hi, I've just seen your comments. Well, the trio in C mentioned by Grove as fragment actually seems complete (whereas the two fragments indeed have the comment (Fragment) on the 1st page). I scanned them from the complete edition so I guess there are really five unless one is considered an ealier version of another trio. Regarding the numbering: that's my idea, I sorted them chronologically after the year of composition mentioned on the first page (which was the most logical for me). If there are really five complete trios each of them should have its own number even if Grove only mentions four. But I'm open to suggetions, of course. For more info please contact me via pm on the forum. Regards, Hobbypianist 18:26, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


The first livre of the Nocturnes for Harp and Horn (the Op.32, jointly composed with Naderman) appears to be tagged incorrectly. The violin part is an alternate for the Horn part, not an additional part. Thanks, Carolus 05:43, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Untagged pages

Hi Steltz. Courtesy of Snailey, you should now have a section in the sidebar for "Librarian Tools", which includes a link to untagged pages. If you can't see it (below "Special Pages") then let me know — P.davydov 18:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I think it's courtesy of Feldmahler - that part of the site isn't on the wiki as far as I know. KGill talk email 13:51, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

multiple voices

Hi Steltz. Thanks for the rapid tagging! Just a reminder that it's "vv" for more than one voice, not "v". So we use "2vv", "3vv", etc. — P.davydov 19:27, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I think I've been a bit thick on that one, thanks for the correction!! For some reason, when you mentioned it before, I thought it referred to when you don't have a specific number. Don't know how I got that idea. I will go back over my recent edits and change them. (Steltz)
That's OK. I corrected them while I was going through the "Unknown Tags", which is how I noticed :-) — P.davydov 19:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks!!! (Steltz)


I wasn't able to find out the original instrumentation. Unfortunately, the only work the nearby library has by Henriques is his string quartet (I also lack Adobe Acrobat and would not be able to convert that into a PDF, probably, at this time). The Religioso might turn up at a twice-a-year booksale in the area- it wouldn't be the least well-known music to have done so (the JH Rogers sonata I also transferred from Sibley showed up there too...)

Will see about one other possibility though (there's a message board I frequent where I could ask this.) Eric 11:31, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Also- have removed the violin part from opus 34, found opus 35 whole on Sibley and transferred that to IMSLP. Presumably the Sibley Library copy of op. 34 itself has the violin part misfiled, or something. I will try to contact them. (I found the violin part for one of Mendelssohn's violin sonatas in the frontispiece of another of them - one of the 2 F Major inside of the F minor? something!, if I remember, after borrowing from Cornell U. Library. Obviously it happens :) ) Eric 15:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for all that -- I also checked Danish Royal today, just because they would be the most likely library to have a fuller selection of his works, but alas, they don't have it. There are undoubtedly going to be some works that will remain untagged, simply because originals can't be found (the tag can only be the original, because the arrangements get picked up by the header). (Steltz)

Well, so far I know (as mentioned I think) of two versions of op 34 - a recorded version for violin and organ, and the violin and piano version uploaded. ... there is a biography of Henriques by Sigurd Berg, Copenhagen: Branner, pub. 1943, that might???? shed some light on this (I have no idea... it's a hope.) It has a list of his compositions (pp 64-70). New York Public Library which I visit (Lincoln Center Performing Arts Branch :) ) from time to time when I'm in NYC sort of has it, but it has to be requested in advance as it's offsite. Will have to remember... anyhow, that bio might have an answer (though maybe not an authoritative one... bios get it wrong too of course!) (A list of some other libraries maybe nearer you that have the bio can be found here.) Eric 18:19, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

tag typo...

in Un Moment Fantastique (Kriens, Christiaan) you put waltzws for waltzes - don't know if I should have just fixed that. Best and many thanks!!!! Eric 13:14, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for picking that up -- I probably was just typing too fast. The only people who are allowed to tag are the 6 librarians, so rather just let me know if I do that again (though I think I'm usually very accurate, guess I just hadn't had enough coffee this morning :-)))

Know the feeling (though with tea or meds substituting :) ). Re Traumlied (Diggle, Roland) a more difficult case- it's called Traumlied but isn't lieder (no human voice- just an organ solo). Thinking of joining the (if one may call it that) tag team myself, after studying how to, by the way... Anyhow, thanks much! Eric 18:33, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I know this looks really strange, but we are going by the standard library convention called "uniform titles", and it requires that you use nouns from the title, as long as they are from a standard list. If nothing in the title is on the list (it includes sonatas, etc.), then there are generics to use -- for instrumental stuff it would be "piece". There are a few instrumental works called lied or lieder, so this is how it must be tagged. It usually won't come up in a list for singers, since they will normally also look by language, and the Diggle has no language tag. If singers do look under just "lieder", they will have to narrow it down anyway, since that list will probably have thousands of titles on it! Via the category walker, they can remove anything that is purely instrumental. Hope that helps.

It does. Thanks. Eric 10:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


ah, I see what happened - I was following Manual of Style/General Information but had misunderstood it (The orchestration must be provided when known, rather than simply stating "orchestra". - I missed the 'when known' part, or maybe it wasn't there last time I read it. :) It's an in-progress document, I know. Thanks! Eric 13:18, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

That's OK -- I think there have been revisions to that document lately -- the instrumentation just helps me tag and for others to see at a glance what forces they will need! In any case, there will be quite a few where we either can't tag, or we tag for what we think it is, and then only find out what the real orchestration is later. Corrections will be a way of life around here . . . . .(Steltz)

What I guess I see as part of the blessing and curse of Wiki-type-endeavors, and others not involved see as their curse :) Eric 15:40, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Think of it as getting better as you go :-)))) (Steltz)

Halvorsen's Kongen

where'd you find that his incidental music for Kongen was for orchestra only? was looking in a lot of places... thanks! Eric 06:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Diepenbrock Hymn

Is it ok if I revert that- I thought we'd sort of more or less decided that hymns were, as it said on the tagging page, specifically religious pieces, which the Diepenbrock is to my knowledge not... (likewise his Hymn for Orchestra, or Rosenberg's 'Inno' (Hymn) which concludes one of his symphonies, etc.) Thanks... Eric 06:34, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I want to put that one to Davydov, because I also put a query in on secular hymns. It is also possible that the inspiration for a purely orchestral may very well have been religious. My main reason for changing it, though, was the rule about using what's in the title. I have to go teach a class now, will put the query on the page in an hour or so. Steltz

Natus est Jesus

Hello Steltz, I wasn't sure about the work title. In that edition it's called Weihnachtskonzert. The preface and the first score page refers to the whole publication 'Partitura sacra' (Straßburg 1651). Maybe I'll have to move the page. Indeed there are two languages, Latin and German, in the original. But the editor made a German text underlay below those Latin passages, as well. Only those words I've removed. Regards --Ralph Theo Misch 08:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

The Unwelcome Guest

Thanks for your research and thoughtful comment regarding the above work. I was completely unsure if the thing was an opera, a play, an oratorio, etc, but I think your conclusion is founded. I searched WorldCat and the only thing which I can be sure is related is the song I uploaded. I'll keep searching and see if I can find anything else. Massenetique talk email 04:42, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Songs of the Princess Magogo


All of his permissions are in order. As for where it should go, we'll wait and see what kind of feedback we get from your forum post. Since it's a compilation of both folksongs and composed songs, there is a case for putting it under the compiler's name. Thanks, Carolus 05:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

==Thanks for this. Just thought it needed checking. (Steltz)

titles/individual movements

well, I thought I kept seeing exceptions to that rule, but they were exceptions whose movements were in the titles (prelude and fugue, or prelude, fugue and interlude, or...) so that was it... thanks... Eric 06:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Request for help by a member of the tagging team

Hello Steltz, When I recently uploaded orchestral parts for the Rietz Konzertstück op.41, the page had to be changed from piano sextet to a concertant piece: ww5tet with orchestra. I also changed the tags accordingly, but of cause the new tags are until now not used (no other piece for fl ob cl bn hn orch), and this should be fixed. (I know, I am not a librarian, but leaving the wrong tags just didn't feel right, the changes were very straightforward and I assumed "unknown tag" would alert someone to add the new tags to the list...)

There are also two other works a member of the tagging team should look at:

At the moment the two early works bei Richard Strauss Serenade op.7 and Suite op.4 are classified completely differently, but both are for an identical group of 13 instruments: The Serenade is (in my opinion) correctly tagged with the instrumental details, but the Suite is tagged ww br, which results in a text display of windband: This is pretty terrible and should be corrected, since it may imply that performance is with several players for each part.

On a related note: I just uploaded a "harmoniemusik" arrangement of an opera by Himmel (Fanchon), which still has to be tagged. Carolus changed "Harmoniemusik" (which may not be a familiar term for many users) to "chamber winds" (this term sems to be a fad in the US, with new ensembles from Detroit to Atlanta using this name). "Wind ensemble" or "12 winds" seem to me better terms, but have also a look at Carolus' talk page.--Kalliwoda 18:21, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Though I have to say I hope the old term Harmoniemusik will catch back on instead :) Eric 18:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Corrections, one by one:

Just fixed the Strauss; the op.4 was definitely wrong.
The Rietz was slightly different. Thanks, Kalliwoda for retagging -- I always worry about pieces that need corrections because once tagged, they can't be found on the "untagged" page, so we have to wait till someone catches a problem and brings it to our attention. The only issue was that the "concertante" was strictly not correct, because we have to tag by title. "Concertante" can only be used if it's in the title; a Konzertstuck has to be tagged as a "piece".
Don't worry about unknown tags. Davydov goes through every once in a while to see what is in the "unknown tag" category. He checks for mistakes, and if correct, adds to the list of approved tags. After that, it will appear on a search list.
Voted for 'Harmonie'. (Steltz)

Maha Ganapathim


Maha Ganapathim is a song, not a chant. It's in a song form known as Kriti from Carnatic (Southern Indian) Classical music. My other upload Chalamela is also a song (a different song form, known as Varnam)

Yes, it's appropriate to tag both the scores as Songs. Cheers, Ananth

Chalamela Varnam

Hi Steltz,

Naming/tagging this (and similar) songs seems to be a bit tricky. I'll try to provide as much information as possible and try to come up with the parallels in Western Classical music whenever possible.

This is a song.

This song is a Varnam (Say a Lieder, for comparison purposes)

Lyrics start with Chalamela, Language: Telugu (Schubert: "Leise flehen meine Lieder". Hence the name Chalamela Varnam)

It's in Raga (Key/mode) Dharbar (Say G minor)

set to Adi Tala (meter)

Peculiarity of the Varnam form is, it has very few lines of lyrics, based on some common themes; but the underlying melody is complex and richly ornamented. These are skilfully crafted compositions that serve as a thesaurus of the Raga that it is based on. A Carnatic music concert begins with a varnam. These are highly praised & respected compositions. The place they occupy in our culture is comparable to that of Bach's fugues in the west.

It's a song, I've included the lyrics in the score. It's also practised on all instruments, but it's a song, most certainly. The particular score I uploaded has some fingering indications for violin (very little). Otherwise, it's not transcribed for violin or anything.

Commonplace lyrics: Many Varnams begin with the words Chalamela They are distinguished by mentioning the Raga and/or Tala. For instance, if this song is performed in radio, the announcer might say -

"Chalamela Varnam, in Dharbar Raga, Adi Thala", or,

"Varnam in Dharbar Raga, Chalamela" or "Varnam Chalamela in Dharbar Raga[, Adi Tala]"

Thanks for your efforts. Sorry for taking up so much of your time. Once we come up with the most appropriate way to title & tag this score, I can do a cleaner job when uploading some other score.

Ananth 17:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Chalamela Varnam - contd

It's originally a vocal piece. The uploaded score is the original vocal version (notice the lyrics).

I've included some fingering for violin, only for 3 notes in measure 4; otherwise it's not transcribed or arranged for violin in any way.


In addition to the standard tags/categories, it's best to create some new tags that'll properly denote this (and other Indian) composition. I've written down the possible classifications here. Please read: Talk:Chalamela_Varnam_-_Dharbar_Ragam,_Adi_Thalam_(Thiruvottriyur,_Thyagayyar)

--Ananth 05:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


Hi Steltz, the work by Joseph Kelway I posted is ONE sonata by him not all six. It is the SIXTH sonata and has 3 movements. Someone please change the information back to what I had correctly listed in the first place. Also looking at this page: Performer's Edition (US users) — Petrucci-Merton (non-US users, I see NOWHERE where this work by this composer is available on that site. Grantco

Dear Grantco: Work information and tagging has to be done by original title, so if these were originally published as a set, then that is how they must appear on the page. Carolus is the person who changed the title of this, and he is the most expert person we have when it comes to editions, original publishing information, etc. What he has changed it to is undoubtedly the correct title. By the way, when you add something to a user talk page, please put it at the bottom, that way we don't have to scroll through the whole page to find the new item. I almost missed your query. Thanks, Steltz 16:39, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Added note: I've now checked Performer's Edition and Petrucci-Merton, and it seems that both of them will print a high-quality bound edition for anyone who would prefer that to loose sheets. One doesn't have to, of course - the normal download and print on 8 1/2 x 11 or A4 will be fine for most users. The point is that there is a higher quality option available if users want to purchase it. Therefore, these links are also both completely valid. Steltz 19:35, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Also, I realize you haven't been on the site for more than a day or so, and there are no real rules for writing on user pages (like there are for the forum pages), but please be aware that use of all caps is taken by some to be like shouting, and therefore aggressive. Please try to avoid using all caps if possible. Thanks, Steltz 20:04, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


Hi Steltz. Apropos of the ongoing forum discussion, would you consent to becoming an IMSLP administrator? Thanks, KGill talk email 20:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations, you're now an administrator!  :-) — P.davydov 21:54, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


Hi Steltz! Great that your on. Would it be too much trouble to change the tags in this category to sonatas ; hpd (at least, I think) ? The instrumentation was recently changed, and I don't want this to go unnoticed. Cheers, Lndlewis10 05:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

6 Pieces for Piano, Op.7 (Melartin, Erkki)

I gave a reason why I tagged this sketches: it's in the title- not even the subtitle, but the title- of the work (not the IMSLP workpage title, but of the score, whose title translates to Sketches.) I'm thinking maybe I should just move the page (again- I titled the page Späne I, Op.7, (i.e. Shavings, which is more or less, Sketches) iirc- I forget the exact title now- only to discover someone else had already uploaded the Sibley file. 4 Pieces is more its subtitle at least as reflected on the Sibley page) to reflect that so that there isn't this argument... Eric 14:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Roussel: Aria

Thanks for finding that info out. It will have to be deleted, unfortunately as Hoereé lived until 1979. Carolus 07:09, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

re-did title/alternative title

Sorry for the work you've to do yesterday on my uploads --Squin 08:03, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Adding tags to MW:G

Hi Steltz, and thanks for the work you've done on this. However, I should point out that you didn't add any of the new instrumental categories to the category hierarchy - for instance, 'For mandolin, harp' should go in MediaWiki:Genres/Instrumentation - Chamber-Instrumental, under 'For 2 players'. I'll go ahead and fix the entries you made (I think there were 5 errors caused - you can check using Special:GenreParserInfo), but just please remember to do this in the future. Thanks, KGill talk email 14:34, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Seki no Yuzare

Dear Steltz. Yes, it is in Japanese.--Shin-Itchiro 13:40, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

symphonic poems

have been wondering if we want (need is the wrong word, or is it?) a tag for characteristic pieces, especially when that part is in the title/subtitle (and the "characteristic" quality is, a subjective and perhaps irrelevant point when it comes to tagging, fairly essential to the piece, with the captions a running commentary throughout the work. Am also reluctant to tag pieces as 'pieces' more often than absolutely necessary since an overfull 'pieces' category could be more helpful :) anyhow, thanks again and apologies. (should bring this up after some thought in the general category talk maybe, if there's anything 'there'. It's early yet so far as my mind is concerned and I may be making less sense than usual. Best!) Eric 13:16, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

wedding music

should a silver wedding march (at least two so far- by Septimus Winner and Edward Mack- uploaded so far) be tagged as wedding music? it's music for someone's silver wedding anniversary (Jubiläumhochszeit, something like that, since a German one's also been uploaded?), not a wedding. Eric 02:16, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Typesetting guidelines

Good job with these guidelines! They were definitely needed... Now hopefully they will be followed ;-) Lndlewis10 20:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Hm... I doubt it ;-) But hopefully! It seems that the Music Publishers Association link doesn't work. In fact, appears to be an unregistered domain name. The website for the Music Publishers Association is, I think,, but I can't seem to find anything that mentions music notation :/ Lndlewis10 21:07, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The problem, I think, is simply notation. When using URL's in a wiki, one should only have a single bracket at the beginning and end of the URL and description. In addition, the pipe isn't necessary. Usually wikis read spaces with regards to externals URLS. The pipe is only needed for internal link (e.g. what you want to call it. Lastly, the backslash / is causing a problem, I think. Basically, the wiki actually reads the pipe (and everything after it) as part of the web address, rather than treating everything after the pipe as a "descriptor" :-) -- Lndlewis10 21:17, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

At the moment the guidelines are nearly worthless, because one can not easily find them via the mainpage.Notenschreiber 22:26, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

To make them more prominent, I put the guidelines in the news (a little late!). That at least puts them on the main page. Lndlewis10 17:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Grr... Never mind. Lndlewis10 17:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Are there any examples of "perfect editions" you've made, on imslp or elsewhere?--Coulonnus 07:11, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Is this a genuine question, misplaced sarcasm, or an uncalled-for sneer, Jean-Pierre? I can’t honestly tell, but the scare quotes you placed around perfect editions make me wonder if you meant the latter category. Please correct me on this. Regards, Phi1ip 22:23, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
The question is genuine. I put scare quotes because I was influenced by this page [1]--Coulonnus 07:14, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Ah, I see. A link over there in the first place would have aided comprehension. You can easily link over to CPDL by using [[cpdl:pagename]], too. e.g. “The perfect edition” Cheers, Philip @ © talk 10:55, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Ewald quartet

It seems to me it might be a better idea to move it to Brass Quintet No.4, Op.8 (Ewald, Viktor) and tag it as a quintet - the composer's original conception, which is how I think we try to tag things? - even though the quintet was first published as a quintet only in 1990 so only the transcription as quartet (and any newer versions of it in any form up to 1960, but not the original) would inhabit the page. I can see this happening again with other works- indeed it already has with orchestral excerpts from operas with non-PD-CA librettos, etc. - maybe discuss it in IMSLP talk:Categorization/Project Members? Eric 22:00, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, appreciated! Though the Wikipedia article does mention (as I’d heard- not just of the 4th quintet but of the others too, which I thought had string quintet prior versions) that the quartet version was thought to have come first- hopefully somewhere not too hard to find (online, at the library, - to check during my own next visit to my own local university one which should be soon...) - is a scholarly discussion with reasons why this is or is not the case. Eric 12:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC) (unfortunately, can’t ask Mr. Skans (1936–2007) - author of many program notes, prefaces to scores, and articles (in magazines and collections - one on Miecyzlaw Weinberg (1919–1996) turns up if one does a Worldcat search on Skans’ name) - on Russian and Soviet music - about that, of course... some others still living might know their way around the subject of course... hrm.)

RE: Albeniz, 2 Danzas espagnoles, op.164

Dear Steltz, I answered at my page. I hope I'll find the lacking Piano Part. Regards --Ralph Theo Misch 07:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Haydn's participation in Lent oratorio

Actually, now I'm curious about this, too. I'm going to have to go to the library and hope they haven't lost the trusty old (1982) Sherman & Donley catalog. Bussende Sunder is not listed in Perger Verzeichnis. For what it's worth (and I really need to preface this with disclaimers, it's not showing up in Klafsky Verzeichnis as listed by Wikipedia. Alonso del Arte 00:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

You're right, mein liebe Steltz, Haydn wrote more than the introduction. According to Sherman & Thomas:

  1. Introduzione. Allegro. D minor, 3/8, 255mm
  2. Recitativo. Liebe: Hier ist der Ort, ...
  3. Aria. Allegro molto. G major, C. Glaube: Er ist der tolle Sünder ...
  4. Recitativo. Liebe: Getrost! Wir ...
  5. Aria. Andantino. C major, 2/4. Liebe: Ein Vater treibt mit scharfen Ruten ...
  6. Recitativo. Hoffnung: O Trost! O Lust! O Freude! ...
  7. Aria. Larghetto. F major, 3/4. Sünder: O Reu! erzeug in meinem Herzen ...
  8. Recitativo. Hoffnung: Betrübter, und darum begluckter ...
  9. Aria. Allegro spiritoso. A major, C. Sünder: Dir Gott! Sei ew'ger Dank, ...
  10. Duetto. Andante brioso. B-flat major, 2/4. Wollust, Friedliche Natur: Wir sind des Menschen Herr ...
  11. Recitativo. Sünder: O Worte! die mein Herz ...
  12. Aria. Vivace. E major, 6/8. Sünder: Wer mutigen Pferden den Zügel ...
  13. Recitativo. Liebe: Welch selten Wirkung ...
  14. Chorus. D major [Allegro?] Sei geprisen, holde Gnade ...

Three sopranos (Love, Hope and Delight), three tenors (Faith, Peaceful Nature, and the Sinner), SATB choir, 2 oboes, 2 bassoons, 2 horns, strings. Note there's only two horns (though H. C. R. L. does mention the second pair was a later addition). The presence of continuo is my supposition, though very well supported by Leopold Mozart's remark often quoted by Sherman and what Prof. Conway has told me about the ubiquitousness of continuo playing even in the absence of figures. Alonso del Arte 21:45, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

K VI/13, Lang I/248, V p23, R p32

Thanks very much. Alonso del Arte 00:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Say, do you have any idea who Krinner may have been? He doesn't show up in Oxford Music Online at all. Alonso del Arte 00:31, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


I put a notice here and here. I think this would be the best thing to do. Is it what you had in mind? Lndlewis10 17:23, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Pastores loquebantur (Victoria or Guerrero)

Dear Steltz, thanks for the comment on that page. I think you and Grove are right. I'll change it later this night. Cheers --Ralph Theo Misch 19:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I answered at my page to keep the discussion together. --Ralph Theo Misch 20:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Just splitted the whole file of Motecta Festorum and hosted the single works at mediafire. I'll continue working on that peu a peu. --Ralph Theo Misch 08:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


Hi Steltz. I've been noticing lately that you seem to be forgetting to put languages in the tags. Here is a recent example. You had forgotten to tag de for German. In addition, you have lately been getting tags out of order for some reason. For example: sop ch 2sop alt 4hn bn should be sop ch 2sop alt bn 4hn, which KGill luckily spotted. I've only started noticing these errors lately, so I suspect that maybe other factors may be at play such as stress; however, please be a bit more careful in the future. All the best, Lndlewis10 00:11, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Well I hope you get better soon, Steltz! I'm on vacation and was sick twice :p Nothing worse. Best wishes, Lndlewis10 13:04, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

my concerto for piano

Dear Steltz: I will check the instrumentation fields. Thanck you very much! Cyril PLANTE

Tagging from titles

Please do not revert a tag that uses information not in the title or subtitle unless IMSLP:Tagging explicitly says "use only for works... titled as such by the composer". That distinction is there for a reason, not meant to be slopped like paste over the entire set of tags. Thank you. Eric 18:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I do apologize for the aggression and aggravation (both) even if I am still not sure why the tagging system rules page would single some tags out for this if it applies to all tags. Eric 20:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Just to clarify this point, the rule means that the tag should only be used if the composer uses it in the title or subtitle of the work. Other tags (like songs, dances, or secular choruses) can be applied to generic work types where the composer hasn't given us anything more specific to go on. Hope this helps — P.davydov 20:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

ok, I thought I knew what I was referring to, but apparently, I do not. apologies a third time and for a third cause. hrm… Eric 21:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Just when you thought it was safe...

Thanks for your note. I would have replied on my talk page, but it's still protected (any chance you can undo that?). I sent you a PM earlier with more explanation.

I'm not sure what Eric's referring to either, but just shout if I can be of any help. For the moment I'm just dabbling, trying to remember how everything works.

The "compilations" tag is one of mine, as an attempt to identify files that couldn't be split, and which contained a variety of works by different composers. I could have used a category label instead, but it was simpler to create a tag. But if this is a problem, or there are new ways of addressing this now, then feel free to remove it :-) — P.davydov 21:43, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Walsh and Hare

Walsh and Hare are English publishers who published a lot of Handel and Corelli etc. and their publications are catalogued in a tome which I have seen but lost the reference for. The sonatas were published in Amsterdam as solo sonatas with bc, though they are not the ones you already have on IMSLP. It is thought that Walsh commissioned a jobbing arranger to make a version for two English Flutes i.e. recorders, German Flutes are traverso flutes in London Parlance, because the solo sonatas had sold so successfully. I got the notes from a 1981 urtext edition. I would like to find the original print of both the Amsterdam edition with b.c. and the Walsh print but so far I have not done so. It is possible that because of the confusion about English Flutes and German Flutes they are catalogued as flute duets. MartinY 08:36, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I see IMSLP has a page about John Walsh but nothing about No. 57. The sonata for two flutes is a different publication and clearly says traverso not flute so they are clearly two German Flutes.,_John MartinY 08:45, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Making the recorder version an arrangement would make a lot of sense except that the critical commentary I have read does not tell me which Amsterdam print is Loeillet's original. I suppose the only way I can find that is to look at the incipits of the Amsterdam editions if a local university library has them or if someone out there recognises which solo sonata it is based on. I do not think there is a Loeillet thematic catalogue though sometimes these things are buried in an unpublished PhD thesis, like the English Baroque thematic catalogue of composers other than Purcell. a potentially useful book which is unobtainable. MartinY 08:55, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

RE: Schütz, Christmas Concerto

Dear Steltz, the original shape of that work is presumably: 3 Solo Sopranos , Capella (SSAB) and Continuo. As Bittinger transposed the piece down and didn't add a male voice, in his version the voicing is 2 Solo Sopranos, 1 Solo Alto, Capella (SSA) and Continuo. Regards --Ralph Theo Misch 21:59, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

P.S.: Today, I've made a hypothetical reconstruction according to Bittinger's preface...--Ralph Theo Misch 22:03, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


Hi Steltz. My Sortable list of works by Igor Stravinsky is finished and I'm considering assigning catalog numbers. I would love to hear any criticism you might have before I do so. Cheers, Lndlewis10 04:49, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

I think something about the arrangement mentioned chorus, but of course

that wasn't a reason for me to tag the original as choral. really I should have been taking the greatest care in tagging the original at all... (all I had visible, as is sometimes the case, besides some library information and magazine references about the original, was the arrangement and information about other arrangements of at least one, possibly different, members of the original set by/collected by Weckerlin.) Thanks! Eric 12:43, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Tagging of Liszt's Cantico del sol

Dear Steltz, I think the original language is not Latin, but Italian. Both files available here have Italian and German words. Thanks! --Ralph Theo Misch 15:47, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your message! Presumably the person who created that work page wrote 'Latin' instead of 'Italian'. They're also very related ;-) Thanks also for your changes! --Ralph Theo Misch 09:47, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

RE: Thompson, The Better Day

Hi Steltz. Here is the response from my talk page just in case you didn't see it:

"Hi Steltz. Thompson & Co published a handful of vocal quartets, which means that only four singers ( sop alt ten bass) are present singing, accompanied by one piano. It is not a choral piece in the conventional meaning, so I think tagging the work for single voices would be best here. Respectfully, Emery 17:25, 5 August 2011 (UTC)"

US Copyright

Hi Steltz. I responded in more detail to your question on my talk page. Respectfully yours, Emery 20:04, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


Good idea. Eric 13:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Lachner introduction and variations

the "theme" tag? :) the theme is the theme brillante, not the introduction... Eric 23:14, 19 August 2011 (UTC) (I could understand if it was, say, a set of variations on a prelude, like Mompou's or Busoni's (or stretching, Rachmaninoff's rhapsody) - then it wouldn't be appropriate to tag it as preludes, variations, of course- but this is an introduction -and- a set of variations :) )

Wolf Oboe concerto

Hallo Steltz, I guess I should have checked the parts for the Wolf Oboe concerto before putting it under "baroque". The basso part has pizzicato and arco marks and seems rather to be a combined cello/double bass part. In Haynes this piece is missing, but there are other works by Wolf, partly with and partly without continuo. So I will go ahead and change it to classical, and remove continuo and tag - assuming you will agree.--Kalliwoda 14:19, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


Hi Steltz. As we're going to be short-handed for a little while, would it help if I took over tagging the new works as they're added, so you don't need to worry about a backlog building up? — P.davydov 11:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC) No problem. Even with 400 files a day coming in, the number of new work pages will hopefully only be in the dozens rather than the hundreds, so I'll do my best to keep on top of it :-) — 12:07, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Well I was a little over-optimistic, with 267 new pages created since 1 September (!). Some were already tagged, and after spending nearly all of Saturday and Sunday on it, I was able to do all but a couple of dozen of the rest. There are 50-odd unknown tags to be registered in MW:G, but over 150 unknown arrangement tags as well, which I didn't manage to make a dent in :-( My day job will get in the way again next week, so I hope a few more of our colleagues will be able to help out — P.davydov 20:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

RE: W’hogen baadenu (Lewandowski, Louis)

Dear Steltz, after the concert I forget to ask for the sheets. But it's still not too late. I'll ask a friend of mine (the organizer of the concert). If I remember correctly, the performers said that the piece was originally written for solo, chorus and organ; but they omitted the chorus part. All the best! --Ralph Theo Misch 23:23, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Yarra Waltzes

thanks for prodding me to seek out the parts of the waltzes on the LOC server- I thought I might have seen them there :) Eric 00:05, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

fairly sure LoC also has parts for some of the other waltz sets Bial wrote, I think I've seen them there. Not sure if they have parts for other instruments for that particular work that I missed, but they might have been miscatalogued- I don't know! Unfortunately, they could have been miscatalogued anywhere :) Will keep looking around the site. (Some of the LoC 'bundles' are just incomplete part sets- just the first violin part to a larger piece- and others are scans of damaged, torn works- but aside from those I hope to help transfer more to IMSLP as I can, of course... while there's of course a lot of very routine stuff on that site there's a pleasantly large amount that's very interesting (to me), too. Anyhow, thanks again!) Eric 08:02, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Change of Name

Hello Steltz, I recently added a score for Handel's Trio HWV 388; Op. 3, No. 2 but made the mistake of not putting that in the title which appears on the link from Handel's work page where it only appears as "Trio Sonata". Not that it's a huge error but it's been bugging me and I wanted to know whether I could change the link title to match the other Trio Sonatas on the page?

Tagging choral works

Hi Steltz. Have you seen this discussion, which simplifies the choral tagging a little? — P.davydov 21:52, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: Tagging, clarinet scores

Dear Becky, Sorry about the tagging.. I will not enter tags to new scores I add. I am a music librarian at the University of Louisville, and I just recently began a project to scan and add a very large number of our public domain scores to IMSLP. If I am able to hire a student to assist with scanning, I am expecting that I will be able to contribute at least 100 scores per month to IMSLP. Currently I am adding scores from our library's Isidor Philipp archive, the largest archive of Philipp's material in existence. When I finish with those scores, I will gladly look to see if we have any clarinet scores to add! James JP3


on IMSLP:Tagging, under Burlesques, it says use for late 18th/early 19th century humorous stage works styled as such by the composer. Eric 13:20, 4 January 2012 (UTC) (That is why I removed the burlesques tag from the Strauss, and did not tag the Casella; because for some reason I thought we were still following the rules on that page. Maybe they are just guidelines, and weak guidelines at that. I will see later if this has been discussed on the relevant talk page.)

The page may be out of date and (or) I may be taking too rigid an approach to it. It is worth discussing. A bit irritable at the moment because bar numbers aren't matching up in typesetting work but no excuse at all to be taking it out on others. Thank you. Eric 15:32, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

5 Vierstimmige Männergesänge, Op.533 (Abt, Franz)

Hi − You tagged this as "sacred choruses". I think it is not sacred music; only No.3 (Ave Maria, but incipit: Da kommt auf leisem Silberschuh) may have a religious "flavor" but still I'm sure it has to be considered as a secular/profane poem (somehow like Schubert's (original) Ave Maria...), and definitely not "sacred". The 4 other Nos. have nothing linked with religion. − Pierre Ch. 10:00, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Swear words in the IMSLP

Do you know if swear words are allowed in IMSLP? I've started writing a concerto for bass baritone, air horn and orchestra and I don't know if I should even post the score here once I finish it. I think part of the fun of the piece for the audience is that the air hornist might slip up and either jump the gun on his part or come in too late. For that reason, it would be important for the part to include the swear words written out. You have any thoughts on this or can you point me to an applicable existing policy? Picardy Third 05:52, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't answer sooner, this website has been very sluggish these last few days. Thank you very much for looking into it. Do you by chance remember the name of the piece? I would like to look at it after the maintenance downtime. Picardy Third 22:23, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Tagging 2 Juvenile Songs (Dulcken, Ferdinand Quentin)

Hi - thanks for tagging this. However, I asked about this, specifically the "clock" part of the song, on the tagging discussion page (under IMSLP talk:Categorization/Project Members#Clock). Was a decision reached? I didn't see it. Eric 13:09, 4 March 2012 (EST)

Hrm. What does "2nd performer. "The clock"." mean, then if one wishes to follow the composer's instructions? Eric 15:45, 4 March 2012 (EST)

That should work. Thanks! Eric 08:48, 5 March 2012 (EST) (I'm surprised that seems not to be a known tag- maybe I'm missing something :) )