User talk:Massenetique/Archive 1

Hi! Thanks for the nice submissions! :) --Feldmahler 23:05, 21 March 2007 (EDT)


About the French Numbers...

Hi there! It is probably better to use numeric numbers actually... just because it makes people who do not understand French be able to understand the title more :) And about the sorting, it should be sorted under P if numbers are used... is that unsatisfactory? Or were you just trying to make the two D pages sort correctly in relation to each other? --Feldmahler 01:05, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Oh... I did not mean to blame you at all! In fact, I thank you for trying to clean up; people don't do that nearly enough, probably because they fear not being in line with the IMSLP style. But I'd rather people try to clean up, and I correct any mistakes, than people just not cleaning up at all... because I cannot do it myself, and making mistakes are inevitable when you first start cleaning up IMSLP. For example, this numbering issue isn't even official policy, and is not yet written down anywhere (actually I'll fix this in a few minutes).
This matter was originally something of a mess; some pages have written out numbers and others numeric. Recently, due to translation concerns, I've gravitated toward using numeric. I will be writing a title translation feature in about two months, but I think it is still a good idea to use numeric wherever possible. This includes English titles, though I haven't gotten around to cleaning them up. After all, I'm only one person... and at the rate IMSLP is expanding, it'll soon be impossible for me alone to clean up everything on IMSLP. This is also why I'd greatly encourage people trying to clean up, even if mistakes are made :) --Feldmahler 13:50, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Can you help me?

I'm looking for Delibes Kyrie and Sanctus. I need the score or organ (piano )reduction. I hope you see this soon. Thank you in advance.

Massenet thanks

Just wanted to drop a line from one French enthusiast to another to say thank you for your contributions! I hope I'm able to round-out the Massenet page with the remainder of his printed compositions at some point in the future. Best regards, Daphnis 00:35, 9 December 2007 (EST)

Massenet scans

Hi Massenetique. Just wanted to drop you a line about the CD Sheet Music Massenet scans. I have the volume with the myriad Massenet files and was planning on going through them all, deleting the watermarks, and uploading them, but if you'd like that job it sure would free me up elsewhere. Let me know and I can email you all the Massenet files from those CDs. Best wishes. Daphnis 19:43, 22 July 2008 (EDT)


Hi Massenetique, I added a comment over at Feldmahler's talk page. I will set up an "Edition" page to keep track of the disposition of Massenet's songs as issued by Heugel in the last years of his life up until just after his death. We can addd info over time to this page to help in the possible creation of pages to reflect the originally published configuration. My preliminary check indicates that there were at least 8 volumes available by 1914, with (usually) 20 songs per volume. They also issued versions for high and low voice. Here is the fast-and-dirty page I threw together so we can track what was originally issued by Heugel. Carolus 23:45, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

BTW, I wouldn't take the library entires I posted for the collection as gospel for French capitalization rules for title case. The English rule for Chant Provençal would be to capitalize the P, since the fist and last words in a title are always capitalized. It's certainly possible that the p should be lower case in French, but I just don't know. I know that German rules are quite different than those of English, but my impression is that French title case conventions are similar to English. Carolus 13:04, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

And speaking of the songs, how are you doing on the CDSM songs I sent you? I'm just wondering if I should scratch them off my list or pull them back out. Thanks. Daphnis 09:01, 4 March 2009 (EST)

Hi again, Massenetique. I'm wondering, and I should have asked this earlier, that, since you at least have an interest in Massenet and presumably are somewhat of an authority on his works, would be able to include in the respective work pages for the mélodies the original keys in which they were written. I am not adept enough to do so, and for musicians such as myself who don't fully believe in willy-nilly transposition, knowing the original key is extremely important. Thanks again for all your hard work. Daphnis 04:04, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Scènes de bal, op.17

Dear Massenetique,

I am urgently looking for Massenet's own transcription for piano 4 hands of his "Scènes de bal", op.17 . Would you have this by chance, or do you perhaps know some place where to find it?

I'd be very thankful for any hint!!

Best regards, paolor


I've added Massenet's first opera score and libretto: La Grand’ Tante. I have all 25 opera scores and other Massenet music. I am scanning them in also. Maybe we can coordinate so we don't overlap. I even have the 1872 Don César de Bazan vocal score and published libretto. The ballet Espada and the incidental music for The Cricket on the Hearth!

I was the presiden of the Massenet Society prior to it going to the University of Maine and I've collected must material. On my web site. Bob’s World of J. Massenet, you can find all the plays that he wrote incidental music and the plays & books that he based his operas on.

I also have a small library of mostly French operas and I will be uploading them as I finish scanning them.

Glad to see that there are more of us out there! Best Bob Frone


From User Talk:Gun chan: I want find the opera "Werther"Massenet Va laisser couler mes larmes.... And I don't know haw use IMSLP, can you help me?
-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 15:26, 1 March 2009 (EST)

New Fields

Don't know if you saw. We've added a few fields to the file entries. So, in addition to "|Scanner=," "|Publisher=." etc. there is also:

  • |Reprint=
  • |Arranger=
  • |Language=
  • |Translator=

Thanks!-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 14:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and there are templates for Flats ("{{Flat}}") and Sharps ("{{Sharp}}"). Thanks-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 14:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

One last thing! There is a template FE ("{{FE}}") that you should put in the "Editor" field for first editions such as these. Thanks again-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 22:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Massenet operas

Also, do you plan on working on any operative vocal or full scores? If so, I could be inclined to help out there as well although I probably wouldn't if I weren't to receive any help. Daphnis 04:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I've uploaded all the Massenet opera/oratorio scores I own, and currently I don't have access to any good libraries to work from borrowed material. I may have time soon to renew my UC alumni membership and head out to Berkeley to check out some more of their scores, but not sure when I can get to it. Was there something you had access to I could help with? And about the keys for the songs, I will see if I can get my hands on the recently published index of Massenet's works and see if there's any info there. Massenetique 04:57, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Well, I have access to just about anything published, but as far as you being able to help out with those, I don't think so since I was generally inquiring about the possibility of someone helping to scan some of the missing operatic works. While I'm not a huge fan of Massenet, as I've indicated, if someone was willing to share some of the burden, I could be coaxed into diving into them. Daphnis 04:59, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Well, if you're not a huge fan of Massenet, then forget it! ;) ... But seriously, for my money the non-operatic works are what interest me most because they are much less accessible. However, it would be good to get vocal scores of Cendrillon, Esclarmonde and Le roi de Lahore up, each of which I could pretty easily get my hands on. Full scores of Massenet operas are hard to come by, and personally I would LOVE to study Esclarmonde in full score, as well as his later suites (Suite théatrale and Suite parnassienne). I'll let you know in the near future if I can get to work on scanning some vocal scores and then maybe I could persuade you to get your hands on Esclarmonde in full score ... Massenetique 06:33, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Deal. Daphnis 12:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Can you tell me about how many of these opera vocal scores were U of T contributions? And of those, which are in really dreadful shape? I might put those on the list to re-do in the future. Daphnis 22:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I believe all of them were, save one of the scores for Don César de Bazan. The biggest problem was how faint many of them were -- I will have to go back and look at them to get a better idea, but I know that Le mage was pretty bad, as was Esclarmonde. I'll take a look again later today and let you know of any others.Massenetique 22:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I had a look at those two. Best thing would be for these to just be rescanned from scratch. There are some minor modifications that could be made to these to increase the quality, but doing so would mean some detail would be lost. Pity, really. Daphnis 22:43, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I think you'll be pleased with what I dug up. Full scores to Amadis (coming tonight) and Cléopâtre along with vocal scores for both. The full scores were somewhat of a surprise and even though no one probably cares about them, they should make nice additions. I'm working with the original 1920's printings, which are highly problematic from a post-processing standpoint. I also dug up a couple of the suites and will post one soon. Daphnis 03:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Great news, I will be very excited to see what you upload! As for the University of Toronto scans, I continue to find alot of interesting French opera vocal scores, many quite obscure and some are very nice quality. Started with Offenbach, then Ambroise Thomas and Adolphe Adam -- more to come! Massenetique 05:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
PS: Personally am VERY happy to see the Amadis full score, the Prologue is one of my very favorites in all of Massenet's oeuvre and I don't see full scores of his works often so it is really a treat -- Thank you!Massenetique 05:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Google scores

Hi, The Google logo needs to be removed in order to post here. Since it's a trademark, reproducing the scanned public domain score with their logo is a trademark violation. This is bascially a back-door IP claim on public domain scans, similar to the one employed by CD Sheet Music. I'll take care of Les Érinnyes, as I have a copy of that file here which can be stripped of logos reasonably fast. UPDATE: Well, my memory was incorrect. I don't have a copy, and for some reason the logo is not removable by normal means on the scan you uploaded. (Did you already manipulate this file in some way?) I had to delete it, unfortunately. Not available at Google Books, either. Thanks, Carolus 00:53, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Hierarchy on work pages

Because of the category walker, the work-page hierarchy needs to be done in a specific order, the details of which can be found here: IMSLP:Score submission guide/Layout of Work Pages. That's why "Parts", for example, needs to be a top-level header (three equal-signs). The category walker automatically reads pages which have this division and adds them to the "Pages with parts" category. Absolutely fantastic additions of Massenet vocal scores, BTW. I'd been attempting to fill in what I could find at Google and from Russian sites. Now we're starting to have a decent representation! Thanks, Carolus 21:33, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

I will take a look at how you've edited what I've done and follow it from now on -- things have been done differently by different people so it was hard for me to know which style to follow. There are now posted at least a vocal score for 22 of Massenet's 25 extant operas (leaving La grand'tante, Cleopatre and Amadis yet to be represented), and I even have a few more scores I found at yet to upload. Glad to be getting close to a complete works here! Massenetique 01:00, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Georges Hartmann

I've been doing some research on the Hofmeister site to get an idea of when the high voice versions of the two first volumes of Mélodies came out. (Thanks for confirming the plate numbers for the high voice volumes.) Hartmann's record is fairly spotty there, but they were up to just over plate 1800 by 1890. I'll probably have to set up a separate publisher's page for him soon as we're now getting to the point where it would be beneficial. It looks like he started publishing around 1866-68, sold the company to Heugel in 1891, but then founded or co-founded E. Fromont a couple of years later, which published Debussy's earlier works. He died in 1901. Carolus 03:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I believe I can help with this. Give me a day or so. Daphnis 03:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


Hi Massenetique. I understand that the tags that were already there may not have been correct, but they are created and maintained only by a specific team. It would be better in the future to raise any issues you may have with the team here, as the project leader (P.davydov) might make a general decision regarding this that should be consistently followed. Thanks, KGill talk email 20:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention -- I was unaware that tagging was only permitted by certain members. I was, however, only copying and pasting what had already been added by admins on certain pages to other pages with needs for identical tagging. My elimination of the "chanson" tags on certain Massenet mélodies was simply with the understanding that the word chanson is not a distinction for 19th-century French mélodie by any measure. I will refrain from adding tags from now on. Cheers,Massenetique 20:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

University of Toronto scans

I was really excited to see these Delibes vocal scores you're uploading, but decidedly less so when I actually looked at some. It looks like these guys and the folks heading up the Variations project probably were at the same hack scanning seminar that day. Just like their work, these are a bit better than having nothing (which are better than Variations) but absolutely frustrating if you gleefully run across one you really, really are interested in and only realize that, after looking at it, you were better off with nothing after all. This just goes to show how many people and organizations have no idea about imaging and digitization processes and techniques. Jeez... Daphnis 20:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree, better than nothing but not great by any means. I have been away from home but when I get back I am going to have to print some test pages to see how they look, if it's really bad I will probably be more selective in my future uploads. The quality varies quite a bit too, the "Jardinier et son seigneur" for example is decent, but others like the "Six demoiselles" I considered skipping -- but figured if one was really interested it was a bit better than nothing at all. The problem is likely, as you said, people who have no idea what they're doing, coupled with the fact that doubtless the scores are old, faded and falling apart -- all the more reason for high quality preservational digitization! Frustrating, indeed ... On another note, do you think I should be crediting University of Toronto as the Scanner on these uploads? Massenetique 20:52, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I believe that would best, if for nothing else than to put blame where it is due, as with the Variations "contributions". Daphnis 20:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

What is the url of this University of Toronto where you found many scans? --Coulonnus 13:11, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Just saw this message -- if you still are interested the address is Massenetique 03:19, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Angelo, tyran de Padoue

The librettist, Charles Méré, lived from 1883-1970. Not free even in Canada. I have to take it down, unfortunately. Carolus 23:29, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I understood in uploading that these Bruneau works may not fit the criteria for inclusion. Interesting that has the Angelo score available for worldwide download and lists its copyright status as public domain. Massenetique 23:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
If this has proven anything it's that many individuals and organizations CLAIM to know what is/isn't public domain in their country, but not to take their word for it. Daphnis 23:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Scenes Pittoresques

It was I who put the request in the wishlist so i wanted to thank you (and Daphnis!) for this amazing contribution!!!

I came to this work through Toscanini's recording of "Fete Boheme" and I've come to appreciate the whole suite, "Angelus" in particular! Massenet's melodic vein at it's best! --Andrea89 01:58, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Penelope... not PD because of the dates of the librettist. Thanks-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 22:14, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Répertoire révolution française?

Merci de nous avoir mis à disposition récemment les partitions de Félicien David ou de Fromental Halévy (surtout que La Magicienne sera remontée l'année prochaine à Montpellier en France).

Je ne sais pas où vous dénicher toutes ces partitions, mais à Paris, ce n'est pas évident de les trouver (hors achat), la BNF n'acceptant pas de les montrer aux amateurs...

De même, il est impossible de trouver les partitions révolutionnaires (1790-1815). Auriez-vous par hasard des partitions d'opéras de Jean-François Le Sueur, Charles-Simon Catel, Étienne-Nicolas Méhul ou Rodolphe Kreutzer ?

Bravo pour votre travail en tout cas. Il est très apprécié par chez nous, en France.--T-A-M de Glédel 14:20, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Mare au diable

Hi, Lapaire actually died in 1967, not 1957. Since this appears to contain text by him, I'm afraid it had to be deleted. Sorry, KGill talk email 14:58, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Magnificent contribution !

Thanks, Massenetique, for your incredible contrbution towards a better knowledge of the French repertoire of the 18th and 19th century... Such a lively musical activity ! I realize you're still missing La Grand-Tante, in the Massenet works, which I have and will provide shortly.

(One small correction : Yuo added Mérowig, by Rousseau, Samuel Alexandre. I believe that he is known as 'Samuel-Rousseau', rather than Samuel Rousseau... ) No : it seems to be my mistake, as there are 2 "Samuel Rousseau", and who won th Prix de Rome. This one, Samuel ROUSSEAU, wrote indeed Mérowig, La Cloche du Rhin, etc... The other Marcel SAMUEL-ROUSSEAU wrote operas Kerkeb, Le Hulla, and Tarass-Boulba.

Let's just hope all this work will entice wome musicians, singers, conductors to explore this unjustly neglected repertoire (I can hardly wait to hear recordings of some more Pierné, and am curious to what the works of Février, Nouguès, Paladilhe, Leroux, Clapisson, Erlanger, Hüe, Widor sound like ! --EricB69 21:23, 23 august 2010 (UTC)

So glad that you appreciate my work with the French opera scores. I ran into the same question about Rousseau in my research as well but ultimately came across what you did. All of these scores were digitized by the University of Toronto and uploaded to where I have slowly been uploading pretty much every opera score available. I should be done with the project in a few days. Thanks for your message, makes me feel good to know people are out there and appreciative! Cheers Massenetique 20:19, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Featured Score

Thanks.-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 16:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Durand plate additions

Hi Massenetique, I tell you what would really help (me) is if, whenever you add pieces published by Durand, such as the recent mélodies by Godard, you could add those plates to the Durand publisher page. As you can see, I have gone through the big stuff, most of which I myself added over time, and as I also add pieces by Durand I'm making sure to update that page so it doesn't get out of hand. If not, we're REALLY going to face a mess like that which I already had to wade through, which took untold hours to dig back through. Thanks in advance! BTW, the last of my Massenet contributions, the vocal score to Cléopâtre, is soon coming. Daphnis 04:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I will do that from now on -- glad to hear the vocal score to Cléopâtre is coming, once it's uploaded IMSLP will have vocal scores to each of Massenet's 25 extant operas uploaded. Quite an accomplishment! Best, Massenetique 04:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Indeed. If I can help fill in any special gaps in the future, let me know. Thanks again for all your unique contributions as well. Daphnis 04:16, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I went ahead and added all the Durand works I have uploaded to the publisher page (amazingly, there were only a handful out of the hundreds I've uploaded in the last few months). I may take on similar work to what you've done with Durand on the Heugel page for a change of pace.Massenetique 04:31, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Nice. Any such work is much appreciated! Daphnis 04:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)



Hello! Could you please be so kind to search for the score of Voyage dans la Lune by Offenbach, but the voice-piano version? I really need Fantasia's ariette.. Thank you very much! You make a really great job with all that French opera scores! It would be nice if someone could scan also more Italian opera scores (belcanto)..

I actually do have access to that score and will see what I can do, may take a little while to get it posted.Massenetique 19:19, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much!

Diemer: Grand valse de concert

Hi, it looks like Lausnay's dates are 1882-1964, which means the arrangement cannot be posted since it's still under copyright in Canada. You might wish to confirm these dates before I delete the file, but here's where I found them. Thanks, Carolus 04:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I didn't find anything when I searched initially, but I just searched again with a little more precision and also found the dates you did. Delete away ... Massenetique 04:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Georges Thill

He died only in 1984. Recordings of his are therefore not free in Canada. Carolus 19:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I did know that, but was not aware that the same distinction was made for recordings as for written works. Seems to me the owner of the copyright is the owner of the recording, which is not necessarily the performer. How can Internet Archive list these recordings as public domain in that case? It is unlikely Thill's estate would garner anything from a recording made in the 20s, and too bad it can't be posted here because they are great recordings everyone should have access to. Massenetique 20:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Internet Archive is pretty loose about what they allow for recordings. For example, there are a number of DG issues from the 1980s and 1990s archived there which are clearly not PD by any stretch of the imagination. The status of any recording published before 1972 - no matter how old - is very ambiguous and possibly protected until 2067 in the USA. It's life-plus-50 of the last surviving contributor for Canada and 50 years after legal publication in the EU. Right now, I think it's OK to post any old recording as long as it was a) published before 1923; b) all contributors have been dead at least 50 years. Of course, if you find recordings which have been released under the various Creative Commons licenses, they're OK to post. I completely agree that the copyright terms are ridiculous and ultimately harmful. Unfortunately, our large size and traffic makes us an easy target for those who might like to make a legal case. PS: Arthur Endreze (1893-1975) is out also. Carolus 21:29, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

The rules are definitely confusing and often ridiculous but I understand, of course, the need to be extremely careful here and err on the side of not posting when the answer is unclear. Thanks for the info. Massenetique 22:29, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Sibley Verdi

Thanks for these uploads. I saw them a while back but didn't have time to post them. Any interest in combing through their past digitizations and uploading them? They'd make nice additions to more Verdi "treasures" I'm preparing to scan. Daphnis 04:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure -- I'll see if there's anything there that has yet to be uploaded.Massenetique 05:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


Hello!Did you manage to find the score for 'Voyage dans la lune'?Excuse me if I insist,but I really need it these days.. Thank you very much!

Yes, I do have it. Tell me which part you need and I will post that first, can't scan the whole score right away.Massenetique 19:39, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Fantasia's Ariette Je suis nerveuse.Thanks a lot!
It's uploaded now here, sorry it took so long! Massenetique 06:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

Opera subcategories

Hi, and thanks for your great work on this! However, are you sure it's absolutely necessary to include a complete breakdown on the main Operas page? The CW will (should) duplicate this, which is why I have made it a general rule to include references to other (sub)categories only on subcategory pages (since it's harder to view the supercategories). Is there some other reason that you've decided to do this? Thanks, KGill talk email 21:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

If its not standard practice then I see no issue with deleting it -- I understand how it could be both useful (the CW is not as straightforward and requires another click to get to) and a hindrance (in that you have to scroll down to get to the list of work pages). It's helpful for me right now as I am creating the pages for each subcategory, but after that I can get rid of it if doing so more closely follows IMSLP style.Massenetique 22:26, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
If there's good reason to keep it in some form, maybe it should be made standard practice. I can think of two solutions/compromises: either the CW could be modified to have a more intuitive and clear layout, or we could have the category tree in a collapsible table (so it wouldn't take up any space unless you wanted it to). The latter is probably more friendly to the user, but that benefit could be outweighed by the fact that it would take a certain amount of work to create for each supercategory, and could easily become outdated if new tags were added (which is far from uncommon). Perhaps this is a good opportunity to ask Feldmahler to improve the usability of the CW (people have been grumbling about it on and off for months)... KGill talk email 00:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Honestly, I don't have a strong opinion about it either way - it just seemed natural that someone visiting the Operas category page might be interested to peruse further if the subcategories were presented right there. However, an advanced user would undoubtedly know about the CW and the link is there for those that don't. I do like the collapsible menu idea, except I don't know how to create one. And, since the CW has caused grumblings in other areas as you've said, maybe this would be a good impetus for Feldmahler to get working on a fix.Massenetique 00:37, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Collapsible tables work almost exactly the same as normal ones, except they start off with {| class="collapsible". I think that it may be a good idea to post a thread on the forum asking people how they think the CW should be improved, and in that way work up a more formal and considered request to Feldmahler (assuming he has time within the next couple months). KGill talk email 00:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm not an HTML person (yet) so even creating a standard table is a cut-and-paste exercise for me at this point. Is there a help page on IMSLP regarding tables?Massenetique 02:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Just to chip in that the new "Categoizatiom/Standardization" section of the forum would be a good place to solicit opinions on the category walker. It's very clever software on Feldmahler's part, but the user interface can be confusing for non-programmers :-) — P.davydov 05:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Tancredi score

Hi! Thank you for all your nice score uploads. I saw that you uploaded Rossini's Le Comte d'Ory and I would like to know if by any chance you might also have access to a Tancredi public domain vocal score. I borrowed one from a library and wanted to scan it but it turned out it is a critical edition and it seems not to be public domain. Thanks! Zoé

I've mostly been uploading scores I find from other sources online - The Italian "Il conte Ory" score came from some recently uploaded scans on from the University of North Carolina and it was the only Rossini score I saw. I could probably pretty easily get my hands on a Tancredi vocal score but I don't have alot of time these days for scanning, might be something to include in some scanning projects later, but probably wouldn't be able to get to it for another month or so. I'll be on the lookout if I find any other sources online.Massenetique 18:44, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Durand plate prefix

Hi, Even though the company name changed in 1909, for reasons that remain a complete mystery to me, they continued to employ the D. & F. prefix until around 1960. This despite having been fairly consistent about changing all the older D.S. & Cie. and D.S. prefixes after 1891. Surely the Daphnis Suite No.2 was in print before 1960. Carolus 21:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm simply going by the score -- take a look at the last page. The plate is clearly marked "D. & Cie." and is from 1913. Massenetique 21:50, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I didn't see that one. In which case this is an interesting print! I think they have an actual first printing of Suite 2 over at the Harvard site. Carolus 21:53, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Septuor,_Op.65_(Saint-Saëns,_Camille) also shows a "D. & Cie." plate number from 1914. They must have used it also during this period. Massenetique 21:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Anna Karenina

I'm surprised and pleased that any library had the complete vocal score scanned- thanks for uploading that! Now if only Venus of Milo op.107 weren't non-PD-US (well, if the 1909 version was published before 1923... I don't know...)- from what I saw of the vocal score when I interlibrary-loaned it, it has a remarkable opening (not forward-looking even for 1908-9, and I probably was looking at the 1930s revision anyway...- something Debussyan about the effect from what I could tell really- but unusual for Hubay as I usually thought of him. The whole-tones to suggest ancient Greece, etc. ...) Eric 22:08, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Glad it is of interest to you! I don't know much at all about Hubay but I knew it was worthwhile to clean up and upload. I also uploaded A cremonai hegedűs if that's of any interest to you. It's too bad these scanning projects don't yield better results. They seem to have no clue as to how to scan music for clarity (ie. monochrome to start, not converted from color) -- the Anna Karenina is one of the better looking examples I've seen, some of the old French vocal scores I've been uploading are pretty dreadful scans, but still better than nothing I suppose... Massenetique 22:14, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Fille du Regiment

Hello again! Can you help me please with the voice-piano score of Donizetti's opera "Fille du Regiment",in the original language? I would be very,very grateful! Thank you! PS.I really enjoy the songs by Massenet..

There is a French vocal score at {click here} but it is a really bad scan - so bad that I didn't even bother to upload it when I was mirroring their collection here. But take a look, there may be spots that are better than others. Otherwise I haven't seen another one available out there and I have very little time these days for scanning. I'll be on the lookout though. cheers, Massenetique 16:58, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes,it is bad this scan,I wanted to print the entire score...but thanks any way.Maybe you'll have time to search for a better one...

Leoncavallo - Pagliacci

Hi Massenetique, unfortunately the 3 parts of the vocal score had to be deleted because the Google logo was visible at the bottom on each of the pages. See also here. Hobbypianist 13:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I uploaded again after cropping the logo off - the logo was up higher on that file than normal for some reason. Massenetique 06:04, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Massenet - Cléopâtre

Hi Massenetique, I'm not sure you caught it with all the file uploads, but I finally added the vocal score to Cléopâtre the other day. This concludes my Massenet contributions...hopefully :) Daphnis 02:25, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Excellent! You've certainly done more than your fair share! Thanks again! Massenetique 03:56, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Opera seria tag

I was under the impression that Opera seria was a form whose last representatives were found at the end of the 18th century or so. Does it in fact apply to the Franchetti work? Eric 12:01, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

The term does apply largely to 18th century opera, but the work is given that distinction by Grove and it is also indicated here. My guess is that the work is written in a neo-classical style and references conventions of opera seria. Grove may be incorrect in their distinction (it wouldn't be the first time) but I figured it didn't hurt to go with them. Massenetique 18:16, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Btw re Google books links, most of the link is to tell Google what is searched for and highlighted, and you can make do with the link up to and including the page number (here, pg=PA191) to save "space" :) until and unless they change scheme - always test the link before taking my advice of course... Eric 19:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, I realize that link text was awfully long! Fixed now and looks much better ;) Massenetique 20:34, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Bach: Cantata BWV 82

Congratulations!! - Whether for singing, arranging, playing or uploading! --Ralph Theo Misch 23:17, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Bizet - 20 Mélodies

Hi again. I swear that, at some point in the past, I uploaded the entire collection of Vingt mélodies and gave it its own work page. Now I see it is gone and individual songs, but not all, are dispersed throughout the composer page. As I'm not a Bizet scholar, I uploaded both this collection and the Feuilles d'album to individual pages because the Grove article sort-of suggests that organization. Any idea what might have happened? If they must be uploaded to different pages, I can send you the PDF and you can hack it up if you so please--I'm kind of tired of messing with vocal music for right now since I finished uploading all the Pierné mélodies tonight myself. Let me know. Daphnis 04:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Don't panic! ;) The page was marked for clean-up (indicating the individual songs should be split and re-submitted) so I downloaded your original upload and am in the process of re-uploading the individual songs now. I did 10 last night and was too tired to finish and I'm back at it tonight. Massenetique 04:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Ahh, that explains it. Thanks for that. Daphnis 04:07, 30 October 2010 (UTC)