User talk:Schissel/archive6


RE: Worldcat - Lachner

Hi Eric, I'll have a look at this later this day. --Ralph Theo Misch 09:46, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

That's what I can tell you this moment: Wulf is only about Lachner's sacred vocal music. Other works are not listed. --Ralph Theo Misch 10:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

This German company presents samples as well. Unfortunately I couldn't find 'your' Andante there. But I didn't have a closer look at the manuscript yet.... --Ralph Theo Misch 00:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Consider that the members of a scanning team of thouse institutions are not atomatically musicologists ;) Good night! --Ralph Theo Misch 00:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Mass in E major, Op.50 (Verhulst, Johannes)

Hi Eric, looks enticing!! The organ part is also playable on a Harmonium (an?). BTW: Vocibus virilibus ;))) --Ralph Theo Misch 00:12, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Beethoven’s birthday

Hi Eric,

I noticed Lisztrachmaninovfan’s change yesterday and was in two minds to revert it, so upon noticing your edit I decided to go one better and make explicit the reason for the firm dating of “by 17 December” – that being the date Beethoven was baptised. I also noticed Monteverdi’s page which was in complete error by omitting any mention of baptism at all; it’s thought that he was two days old when baptised, as opposed to a mere day as is usually asserted for Beethoven. Both pages now give the indication of baptism as a pointer that the actual date of birth is likely some short duration earlier. Cheers Philip Legge @ © talk 23:15, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Barbara A. Cooke collection


It's actually located at the University of St. Francis instead of the Newberry Library. They do look like pretty decent scans. We can probably set up another external library template so you can link directly to the page at CARLI for the individual title if you're planning on uploading the majority of their collection. Carolus 06:05, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

"....1885-6 but don't know"

Hi dear Eric - I can remove now your words on the bottom of that page. Bravo pour ton estimation. --Squin 20:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Cyrill Hynais


I remember having a very hard time finding the dates for him, but the folks at Kalmus managed to obtain his dates (1862-1913) by contacting either the Austrian national library or the Austrian performing rights society. They wanted to make sure they were able to sell his piano reduction in the EU as I recall. They've helped find several other arranger dates using this method - notably the arrangers Léon Roques and Hubert Mouton. Carolus 04:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

tagging title names

There is one exception, but I thought I couldn't really fit it into the explanation box, so I'll give it to you here -- Where a work would end up with a generic title, but belongs to a collection that has a good description in it, then it can get a tag from that. For example, something that would be tagged "piece" but comes from a collection entitled "studies" can have the tag "studies". The benchmark question to ask is whether all individual components are intended to be played as a unit. If the answer is yes, then the individual units are considered movements and not tagged, even if the title then has to be generic. If the answer is no, then there is a case for separating the tags. (Not sure this will take care of absolutely all the odd ones, but maybe most of them . . . .) (Steltz)


...Thanks! Lndlewis10 03:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

New proposals

Hello Eric. If you have a moment, I'd be very grateful if you'd take a look at these proposals to try to standardize the general information sections of the workpages, and let me know if you have any suggestions for improvement? Thanks — P.davydov 20:53, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


très jolie, pleine de couleurs ta nouvelle page ! goûts généreux et éclectiques (les miens le sont aussi) J'espère que l'excellent Maurice Delage va être bientôt disponible sur la BNF, Ils numérisent par ordre alphabétique (actuellement ils sont à Cr : Cramer) Very pretty and colorful your new page! generous and eclectic tastes (as mines). About your search for 2011 I hope that the excellent Maurice Delage will soon be available on the BNF, they scan in an alphabetic order (currently Cr: Cramer)--Squin 19:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Variations on an Original Theme, Op.61 (Berger, Wilhelm)

Dear Schissel, yes - in the case of old typographies it's sometimes difficult for me to keep apart the 3 and the 5. But I think 1895 is correct. Cheers --Ralph Theo Misch 00:59, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


Hello Eric,

you are right and I know that most of BWV Anh works are not from Bach. I discussed this topic with P.davydov who created the table that lists the files by BWV number and we decided that I'm uploading the files with Bach as composer and he will move them to the right composer but let it also linked on the Bach category. So everybody will find the work, those who are looking for BWV Anh... and those who are looking for the work by Durante. I hope this is okay for you. --TobisNotenarchiv 21:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Enescu Octet

Schissel, feel free to post issues or questions related to things I post and I'll be glad to discuss them. In any case, this work was most certainly published in the early 1900s; the note by the author was added to a later reprint. It is a frequent tactic of Enoch and others to add preferatory material and attempt to claim a new copyright. Aside from the inscription by the composer in the front matter, there isn't anything to suggest this is a new(er) addition. And the plate range of the score and parts seem to suggest earlier publication than 1905. I would stick to this "best guess" scenario unless this can be authenticated via "official" or scholarly sources such as the Enescu biography and works catalog (which I don't possess), or Grove (which is skimpy in this regard for the composer). Daphnis 02:01, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

hello Eric... What is wrong with Rêverie and Valse d'automne on the page E. Gallet ? May you look at that and correct my english ? I realise I'm unable to write correctly a simple sentence !! (I see today you've wrote a trio when you've 20. I've done such things in 1989, quand j'avais 20 ans, quand j'étais encore jeune et beau...I'll be curious to hear that .. was it played ?) --Squin 17:00, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Violin Sonata in F major, Op.Posth. (Mendelssohn, Felix)

Although it’s unlikely, the Menuhin edition could be Urtext (or near enough). Sight unseen I would guess there will have been some editorialisms. By the way, Op.Posth. would be less preferable to assigning the catalogue number — probably MWV Q 26. We already have the other violin sonata in F, MWV Q 7 — a 1977 Urtext! I am out and can’t do copyright review tasks on this account. Cheers Phi1ip 15:10, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I've found the referring passage in Larry Todd's book (German). Briefly: Mendelssohn rejected that sonata (finished in 1838 and intended for Ferdinand David). In particular he was dissatisfacted with the length of the 1. movement and started a new version (1839), but abandoned. Menuhin merged both versions of the 1st movement together. --Ralph Theo Misch 17:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
That ... suggests something beyond Urtext and also might make it difficult to affix a single Mendelssohn WerkVerzeichnis number to the Menuhin edition usually played (though one might attach to the 1838 version and to the 1839 fragment.) Eric 17:33, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: RE: Lyonel Feininger

Hi Eric, maybe I'm slow on the uptake :{ - but what did you mean by that? --Ralph Theo Misch 15:35, 7 February 2011 (UTC) UPDATE. Apologize - I understand now. Cheers --Ralph Theo Misch 16:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Hathi Trust images

Hi Schissel, I see you are also uploading scores from Hathi Trust. I found a great Python script recently that will automatically grab all the images from a Hathi Trust volume. Details can be found at HathiHelper. It works great. Instead of getting the 72/96dpi jpg files with the Google logos that are displayed on the screen you actually get the image files that are used to render those. For color or grayscale images it has downloaded files that are 300dpi JPEG2000 images and for black and white images you get 600dpi tif files. You might get a mixture of both for any score. For the Foote Preludes I recently uploaded all but two images were JPEG2000 files but I downloaded the Bruch Op.10 Quartet last night and all the images were tif files. And none of the images will have the Google logo. Hope you find this useful. --Cypressdome 12:31, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


OK, you guys are losing me as to WHY you want to list this page as SIX sonatas when what I posted was Sonata VI FROM Six Sonatas. Is someone else about to post the other 5 sonatas? Is there a reason to say the listing posted has six pieces in the book as opposed to the three movements it actually has? I've posted single pieces from books before without it being listed as the full book, what sense does this make in this case? To me if you say there's six sonatas listed then I'd expect to see all six available.... Grantco

Viola, Harp

Hi Eric. According to our strict sequence, this should be harp, viola (which was already in the list). I've amended MW:G accordingly — P.davydov 21:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Ernst's bithdate

The later suggested birthday is not possible. Ernst had a younger brother born on November 28 1814, according to archives in Brno (Elun, p. 8). Rowe's suggestion of 8 June 1812 is at least possible and he has reasoned. Therefor I see no reason to not write that until potential further research.

Guilhaud Oboe Concerto

I heard in a book on Google Books that this Oboe Concerto was originally for oboe and piano, but the piano part was orchestrated. An orchestrated work might be the one mentioned being played. --Lisztrachmaninovfan 04:48, 17 February 2011 (UTC)